The FiiO X3 Thread UPDATE: Project Back On! Read the First Post for Information.
May 11, 2011 at 4:19 AM Post #1,066 of 3,613
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To be fair, IIRC James only said that the price would be below $200, and that was a while ago. Early on you can only make rough estimates in prices until the design is finalised and the bulk part purchase and manufacter has been factored in. He could have said straight off that it would be around $120, but then if some unforseen consequence caused it to be more than that, people would react much more negatively than if they provide the upper price ceiling first and then come back with a realistic price when they're ready to do so.
Still, I'll admit that the announced price has suddenly made this look much more attractive...


The reason to estimate the price higher in the beginning is because the risk involves in the X3 project. AFAIK, the new price does cut significantly into the profits each unit FiiO will make. Think of it this way - if you are only planning to make 500 units of a device because you are unsure about the market, your relative cost will be higher than said 5000 units, because you initial investment (R&D, etc) is still relatively the same regardless of 500 or 5000 units you made. Then you need to also make sure there is enough profit margin for your dealer, because you are asking them to pickup something you never made before and you have not proof for them on how many they can sell. These are all the little things that eat into your bottom line and you have to make sure that the whole project not only make money, but enough to keep the company afloat. I would think one of the reason why the estimated price seem to come down so fast has a lot to do with the very positive growth FiiO has had last year, and now they can afford to spread the risk onto other products that have been doing quite well and lower the X3 price tag without hurting the bottom line. X3 has been FiiO biggest project so far and I do hope the end result will be very positive and enough to support them to further pursue DAP development.
 
 
May 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM Post #1,067 of 3,613
Very sorry for my mistake, I hope everyone in here can understand me, I am too busy in reply some many question in different forum like head-fi and headphile. and I have to change from E11, E7 to D3, X3, E9, so I had not noticed
 
my mistake till now. 
 
About the price of our X3, it should be about $150 to $170 depend our sales agent. or should be about 1,000 to 1,100 RMB. 
 
So, need to say sorry again. I must be too tired. hope everyone can understand my mistake.
 
 
 
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May 11, 2011 at 9:37 AM Post #1,068 of 3,613
it was too good to be 
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May 11, 2011 at 9:37 AM Post #1,069 of 3,613


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Very sorry for my mistake, I hope everyone in here can understand me, I am too busy in reply some many question in different forum like head-fi and headphile. and I have to change from E11, E7 to D3, X3, E9, so I had not noticed
 
my mistake till now. 
 
About the price of our X3, it should be about $150 to $170 depend our sales agent. or should be about 1,000 to 1,100 RMB. 
 
So, need to say sorry again. I must be too tired. hope everyone can understand my mistake.
 
 


It's still 'WOW' worthy if you ask me.
 
£90 odd quid for a quality player. Looking forward to the release.
 
 
 
May 11, 2011 at 9:39 AM Post #1,070 of 3,613


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Very sorry for my mistake, I hope everyone in here can understand me, I am too busy in reply some many question in different forum like head-fi and headphile. and I have to change from E11, E7 to D3, X3, E9, so I had not noticed
 
my mistake till now. 
 
About the price of our X3, it should be about $150 to $170 depend our sales agent. or should be about 1,000 to 1,100 RMB. 
 
So, need to say sorry again. I must be too tired. hope everyone can understand my mistake.
 
 



Oh, okay, it's no problem.  That's still an extremely reasonable price, considering all there is in it - honestly, I was shocked at the price you gave earlier, the price of the components alone would probably be around that.
 
May 11, 2011 at 9:39 AM Post #1,071 of 3,613


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The reason to estimate the price higher in the beginning is because the risk involves in the X3 project. AFAIK, the new price does cut significantly into the profits each unit FiiO will make. Think of it this way - if you are only planning to make 500 units of a device because you are unsure about the market, your relative cost will be higher than said 5000 units, because you initial investment (R&D, etc) is still relatively the same regardless of 500 or 5000 units you made. Then you need to also make sure there is enough profit margin for your dealer, because you are asking them to pickup something you never made before and you have not proof for them on how many they can sell. These are all the little things that eat into your bottom line and you have to make sure that the whole project not only make money, but enough to keep the company afloat. I would think one of the reason why the estimated price seem to come down so fast has a lot to do with the very positive growth FiiO has had last year, and now they can afford to spread the risk onto other products that have been doing quite well and lower the X3 price tag without hurting the bottom line. X3 has been FiiO biggest project so far and I do hope the end result will be very positive and enough to support them to further pursue DAP development.
 


Thx for your help. Yes, I hope we can success in our first DAP, that is why we pay so many cost in our supplier who only provide solution to some famous brand. 
 
And there are not secret if you want to provide affordable product,
 
one come from your strategy, or you make high profit but sell small quantity, or you make less profit but sell big quantity.
 
one come from your ability, how can you control the cost for R/D and the cost of the component.
 
Our team is come from a big company in China, you may heard about OPPO in USA, which is the brand of our old company. so we tend to run the business like a consumer electronics manufacturer but not a traditional hifi manufacturer. who 
 
have to keep higher margin than cellphone, DVD, to cover the cost of business, because the market is too narrow compare with consumer electronics products.
 
 
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May 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM Post #1,073 of 3,613
BTW, maybe I am the only manager who discuss with our end user in such high frequency. so sometimes I had make some mistake. because
 
I can not arrange a meeting and them answer the question. it is inefficiency  but I guess now it is the best way to hear from our potential user.
 
At the same time, my main duty is in marketing and I have the right to decide what kind of products we should make, and have the right to
 
make any decision in our company. also I had been R/D manager for about 8 years, and had been engineer for about 20 years, so I guess 
 
[size=small]I maybe the only one who have the decision-making power and have the engineer background, not to talk about the language , and I must[/size]
 
[size=small]admit my reply full grammar mistake, but at least you can understand what I want to state.[/size]
 
[size=small]Anyway, I will find another assistant who will work as online official news spokesman.[/size]
 
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May 11, 2011 at 10:00 AM Post #1,074 of 3,613
IF X3 can reach our expectation , we will develop a cheaper DAP and a desktop DAP. but it is too early to talk about that because 
 
we need to focus in X3 now. so if you feel X3 is too expensive, you can wait for our other model in the future if we can succeed in 
 
X3.
 
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May 11, 2011 at 10:02 AM Post #1,075 of 3,613
 
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BTW, maybe I am the only manager who discuss with our end user in such high frequency. so sometimes I had make some mistake. because
 
I can not arrange a meeting and them answer the question. it is inefficiency  but I guess now it is the best way to hear from our potential user.
 
At the same time, my main duty is in marketing and I have the right to decide what kind of products we should make, and have the right to
 
make any decision in our company. also I had been R/D manager for about 8 years, and had been engineer for about 20 years, so I guess 
 
[size=small]I maybe the only one who have the decision-making power and have the engineer background, not to talk about the language , and I must[/size]
 
[size=small]admit my reply full grammar mistake, but at least you can understand what I want to state.[/size]
 
[size=small]Anyway, I will find another assistant who will work as online official news spokesman.[/size]



While it'd be sad to see you go, it'd be for the best...you spend a lot of time here that could be spent doing other, somewhat more important things for your company.  Make sure the new spokesperson is as awesome as you are though. :p
 
May 11, 2011 at 10:02 AM Post #1,076 of 3,613
Anyway, I will find another assistant who will work as online official news spokesman.
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THERE is dedication to the customer.
 
Well done Fiio.
 
May 11, 2011 at 10:03 AM Post #1,077 of 3,613


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add a radio feature into it so we can listen to radio when we don't know what song to listen to..=)



Sorry, can not provide Radio feature because the SQ. 
 
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May 11, 2011 at 10:03 AM Post #1,078 of 3,613


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IF X3 can reach our expectation , we will develop a cheaper DAP and a desktop DAP. but it is too early to talk about that because 
 
we need to focus in X3 now. so if you feel X3 is too expensive, you can wait for our other model in the future if we can succeed in 
 
X3.



Well, I think a cheaper DAP would be excellent.  Something to compete with the Sansa Clip+, perhaps.  It's pretty much without real competition right now.
 
May 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM Post #1,079 of 3,613


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No radio? wow,
 

I listen to it. Always a nice change to whatever is on my card. How do you guys know when new good music is out???
Regardless im going to be getting an X3 at christmas time, you know, when it's released (JOKING!)
 
Can't wait guys (my wallet can). Going to be getting an all new portable rig :D

Question: Will there be a new rubber band suited to match the X3 with E11?
just curious
 



I think DAP in UK/EU and XM radio in USA will be more better , let us see what will happen in the future. 
 
Our current silicon band should be suited to march X3 with E11. or X2 with E17.
 
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