Armaegis
Modern Modder Man of Manitoba
HTML... uphill, both ways!
- Joined
- Oct 18, 2009
- Posts
- 12,550
- Likes
- 1,403
How much was your build cost on those Ncores? (roughly)
My gripe with it is the silliness of using amps with too much gain and high noise floors that are unsuitable for headphone usage, then jury rigging a solution by chopping down the output.
Well just speaking in generalities, amps have various "sweet spots" (best THD/noise/whatever specs) in their operating range, be it voltage or current delivery or load impedance. A headphone load is not going to come close to any of those. Doing some trickery with L-pads might work (a three-resistor network might get you closest) but that's not a true solution and you're wasting energy as heat (but if you're a class A proponent, then you don't really care about that anyways). At least planars don't have to worry about damping factor as much. Using resistors to adhoc output impedance sorta works, but isn't a proper solution either.
... snip ..
Well just speaking in generalities, amps have various "sweet spots" (best THD/noise/whatever specs) in their operating range, be it voltage or current delivery or load impedance. A headphone load is not going to come close to any of those. Doing some trickery with L-pads might work (a three-resistor network might get you closest) but that's not a true solution and you're wasting energy as heat (but if you're a class A proponent, then you don't really care about that anyways). At least planars don't have to worry about damping factor as much. Using resistors to adhoc output impedance sorta works, but isn't a proper solution either.
I have a difficult time believing charts that show a decreasing THD figure with increasing output power. One is trying to measure extremely small signals with outrageous precision to make these measurements. I'd wager its more about exceeding the capabilities of the measurement equipment (hence an artifact of the measurement) and not a real increase in performance. You're "getting into the sweet spot" of the measurement equipment, not the amplifier.
No it isn't an artifact of the measurement equipment.
Typically it is caused by the crossover distortion in the Class AB output stage.
Try looking at some THD plots of SE Triode amps, THD drops as output power decreases.
OTOH, as I said earlier, the THD is usually so low that the actual value is often academic.
How much was your build cost on those Ncores? (roughly)
Bottom line: if folks think their jury-rigged system sounds good, at a price they are willing to pay, then the world is a happier place for it... at least to them.
OK, that makes sense. I guess I was thinking exclusively Class A operation.
What? There's another class?
Cris. Is there a general rule of sound signatures for different class amps. .?
Al
Well hey, I'm also the guy who says ditch the resistors and slap big autoformers on the ends of the amps. So I'm just a nutzo as you guys, but in a different flavour
Ok I do see your point , my question was just SS amps . What about d class. It's use seems to be just subs and woofers. But I think genisis is making a class d amp now for the mids and tweeters . Any thoughts ?
I have a difficult time believing charts that show a decreasing THD figure with increasing output power. One is trying to measure extremely small signals with outrageous precision to make these measurements. I'd wager its more about exceeding the capabilities of the measurement equipment (hence an artifact of the measurement) and not a real increase in performance. You're "getting into the sweet spot" of the measurement equipment, not the amplifier.
Interesting! Most of the op-amps I've rolled in my iBasso PB2 Pelican have datasheets that show what you're talking about. For example, the OPA1611 and 1612 allow a minimum supply voltage (Vs) of something like 4.5V (if I recall correctly) and a maximum supply voltage of 18V (I'm certain of this figure), but they show lowest THD+N at a supply voltage of 15V (and I'm certain of this, but too lazy to look up the datasheet at the moment).
So, yeah, lots of op-amps show an improvement in noise measurements until some peak is reached - always close to the maximum allowable supply voltage, it seems. That's had me scratching my head for a while, now. Your hypothesis makes sense to me, but I'll remain open-minded, especially since I've tried real hard to actually hear the difference, between 8.4V and 15V with the OPA1612 into HD800, for example, to no avail. So, the whole subject is moot, with my ears and my gear, at least. But... I run at 15V because the output voltage increases better than linearly with an increase in supply voltage - and that I can hear, as improved dynamics and bass control, with inefficient headphones.
Mike