SONY NW-WM1Z M2 / WM1A M2
Nov 5, 2022 at 4:31 PM Post #7,261 of 15,721
this post is from the SP3000 forum.

this person has a special approach of burn in i never heard before:
A new audio product needs time to burn in. It all has to do with the fact that molecules need time to settle down. A source needs at least 600 hours. I will play my SP3000 for 23 hours every single day for a period of 2 weeks. The reason for 23 hours has to do with the fact that the capacitors need time to be filled to 100%. When you let an audio product always on, the capacitors will have less electricity.

We advise putting off your audio system at the end of each day. And switch it on in the morning. You will hear a better dynamic range, more layers, and more resolution when you have put off all devices for about 5-6 days (try it).

Even the SP3000 needs time to burn in. So I will write a review after it has been played for at least 600 hours. The stage will become deeper and wider when the SP3000 is burned in.

does anybody of you do also 23 hour approaches?
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 4:41 PM Post #7,262 of 15,721
this post is from the SP3000 forum.

this person has a special approach of burn in i never heard before:


does anybody of you do also 23 hour approaches?
I don’t know about that, but I do advise to have the player at rest for at least a couple hours a day, if not more. Do not **** burn in your players continuously.

The reason is because Capacitors need time to set-in. They are like batteries, electricity discharges by chemical reactions, and they have “self-healing” properties. That means they do need time to “self heal” between cycles for the optimal results.

Also, use your favorite genres to burn in. Do not burn in with pink noises or white noises
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 4:52 PM Post #7,263 of 15,721
this post is from the SP3000 forum.

this person has a special approach of burn in i never heard before:


does anybody of you do also 23 hour approaches?
Interesting post. I never heard of this method of burn-in and resting off before.

For me I notice that for my ZX507 and WM1AM2, if they have been powered off for longer periods(a few hours or more), they do require some warm-up time of around 10 to 15mins before the Bass sounds good.

Also from my own experience of desktop class audiophile dacs and headphone amps, these devices will sound optimal if left running 24/7 without shutting down at all. I think Johnson-Nyquist noise affects the performance of audio equipment that is switched off for long periods and powered up, takes time for it to reach thermal equilibrium.

Audioquest used to have a technical paper where they claim it requires 24hours of warmup for DACs to have it's optimal phase linearity. However the whitepaper has already been removed since.
https://web.archive.org/web/2018031.../usb_digital_analog_converter/technical-paper
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 4:56 PM Post #7,264 of 15,721
These Devices sound better because it is brought up to ambient temperatures or operational temperatures. There are temperatures drift. The higher the temperature, the better the components parameters. There is a range of equilibrium temp for electrical components.

Desktop sounds better if they are kept 24/7 because they don’t have to waste time to warm up.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 5:21 PM Post #7,265 of 15,721
I don’t know about that, but I do advise to have the player at rest for at least a couple hours a day, if not more. Do not **** burn in your players continuously.

The reason is because Capacitors need time to set-in. They are like batteries, electricity discharges by chemical reactions, and they have “self-healing” properties. That means they do need time to “self heal” between cycles for the optimal results.

Also, use your favorite genres to burn in. Do not burn in with pink noises or white noises
This was also what the Sony repair staff told my friend(who's wm1am2 battery became bloated), he was told that it is recommended not to continuously burn in the walkman but to provide resting periods.

The reason is because the repair staff said this applies to all modern electronics which are designed with much smaller components and using high power semiconductors, due to these, it can cause regions within the circuit board to heat up which when the heat is not dissipated adequately over time especially if you are running the device continuously or likely with a casing that does not provide good cooling properties, this can cause the internal soldering to fail from prolonged thermal stress over time. Ideally the device should be rested after 8 to 10hours of usage for optimal longevity of the device.

Do note the above is a hearsay from a conversation with my friend, I was not at the scene where the sony repair staff talked to my friend, so there might be some misquotes/miscommunications of the Sony Staff from my post.

How true is the above? I am not sure. But I guess it depends on how much you treasure your device and likely how much heat is your device outputting, more heating likely means lower lifespan.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 5:35 PM Post #7,266 of 15,721
Also you guys should have heard that you should not buy used GPU cards unless you are very sure that it has not been used for Cyrpto mining, as these mining GPUs are weakened from continuous 24/7 operation at full load and is prone to failure.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 5:51 PM Post #7,267 of 15,721
Yes I can fill the 1.5 TB card with music , i have 4 Walkmans all have 1TB cards, no crash so far on any , mixture of lossy and MP3 the only slow loading is Cover Art on All 4 Walkmans my A17, A55 and 105 are 99% full of music my WM1A M2 is 50% with 1tb card cover art is slow to load , no other issues with 1TB Cards my music collection is in many languages , 70% FLAC , Depending on my schedule I use all 4 of my Walkman's FM Radio to sometimes i Use Radio Garden on the M2 as it has no FM Radio
http://radio.garden/visit/toronto/vqzAr1BQ " Music Universal Language "

Guess you can consider getting yourself into the Guinness Book of World Records, man with the biggest digital music library? Just kidding, I think there’s probably some that have petabytes of music.

Looks like Sony has coded their music app pretty well, able to handle such huge numbers of songs on a low power arm processor without crashing or slowing down very badly.

I remember back in the old days of Creative Technology Nomad Jukebox mp3 players, it will start to slow down badly if you go beyond a few hundred songs.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 6:16 PM Post #7,269 of 15,721
This was also what the Sony repair staff told my friend(who's wm1am2 battery became bloated), he was told that it is recommended not to continuously burn in the walkman but to provide resting periods.

The reason is because the repair staff said this applies to all modern electronics which are designed with much smaller components and using high power semiconductors, due to these, it can cause regions within the circuit board to heat up which when the heat is not dissipated adequately over time especially if you are running the device continuously or likely with a casing that does not provide good cooling properties, this can cause the internal soldering to fail from prolonged thermal stress over time. Ideally the device should be rested after 8 to 10hours of usage for optimal longevity of the device.

Do note the above is a hearsay from a conversation with my friend, I was not at the scene where the sony repair staff talked to my friend, so there might be some misquotes/miscommunications of the Sony Staff from my post.

How true is the above? I am not sure. But I guess it depends on how much you treasure your device and likely how much heat is your device outputting, more heating likely means lower lifespan.
I worked on telephone Central Office switches, which ran 24 x 7 for years, with a target uptime of 99.99%, so the idea of suggesting to rest equipment for 8-10 hours every day makes no sense to me.

This sounds like some of the made up reasons/excuses I've heard from ignorant or malicious repair people. They are supposed to be knowledgeable, but many of them are not, and they use their position of technical experience and "knowledge" to make unfounded claims. Some do it as a power trip, and some do it knowingly, taking pleasure from spouting nonsense, that everybody treats as superior knowledge.

If equipment needs to be rested for 8-10 hours every day, that makes it pretty useless. I'd expect that kind of advice for the days of when we used horses, instead of cars. Letting a horse rest, I could understand.

A more likely reason is that the DAP was run with an insulating case, put on a non conductive pad, cloth, paper, etc., etc., with no ventilation, and probably overheated and cooked itself. People seldom pay much attention to heat conduction/dissipation, air flow. Just pay attention to the equipment occasionally, to make sure that it is not overheating. Case in point, I believe in using a ventilation fan on my Router which runs 24 x 7. I seldom have a Router failure. Same for HDDs in a PC, that has a front and rear fan pulling air over the HDDs.

There is a real reason for equipment failing more frequently nowadays, due to the fact that most consumer equipment is purposely designed and manufactured to be underpowered, overheated, and under ventilated, so that they will fail faster.
- They do not install spark suppressor capacitors on high current switches anymore, so they will burn out in about 1 1/2 years. This used to be done, and the switches would last for many years.
- A Philips VHS/CDR burner I owned had no ventilation holes or fan, so that it would constantly overheat and shut down.

So If a DAP was extremely poorly engineered, then under normal use, yes, it could fry itself. And I deem continuous usage as "normal", unless there is a warning by the manufacturer against it. But I would not expect this to be true of a WM1xM2 DAP. I would rather believe that a user could be unknowingly causing it to overheat due to bad habits. That is extremely likely. Or it could be a bad component, or battery. Think Samsung S7 phone.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 6:27 PM Post #7,270 of 15,721
@Whitigir: You may only overestimate the willingness of the "average" user in this thread to read and think about more detailed technical aspects, especially those related to electronics.

I admit that now and then some posts may be too detailed and specialised as I do not have my degree in engineering.
However, in such a moment I "bite" myself and remind myself of how gladly I learn new things in general.

On top of that - we do not like dying dumb one day, do we? 😂

I am glad that you try to "educate" us a bit in this area.
 
Nov 5, 2022 at 6:52 PM Post #7,273 of 15,721
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Nov 5, 2022 at 6:58 PM Post #7,274 of 15,721
from what I understand is modern manufacturing often do not perform full test on every single one of their products.

Testing is done on randomly selected production samples basing on a certain manufacturing period(basing on shift or date or week). If the randomly selected samples exhibit high test failure rates then either the entire batch gets rejected or sometimes they get reclassified into lower segments of the market like in the case of hard drives where the more vibrating drive batches will be sold as consumer external desktop storage where reliability and lifespan of the drive is not of critical concern.

The hard drive batches that have high passing rate for the random samples will be sold for data centre markets.

From what I have read, Swissbit does 100% testing for their Nand dies before they get placed into their industrial microSD. So I believe that could ensure better reliability.

Also ideally it is recommended not to be the first to buy products when they are newly launched as they could be sold with undiscovered bugs or issues and may require revisions at the manufacturing end. But given how the world is heading towards chip war, production shortages and the need to pre-order goods and etc… it’s harder to just wait and see.

Also some companies like in the case of certain SSD Manufacturers, are known to have “silently” switch to lower grade controllers after the product has been in the market for a while.

As for the M2,Walkman, so far not much failures have been reported here, outside of my unlucky friend.
 
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Nov 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM Post #7,275 of 15,721
The hard part is finding the non-destructive burn-in sequence.
I have a book somewhere in my office, used in a previous job, called the Art of Burn-in. I think the most we sequenced while cornering the power supplies and environment, was 24 hrs. This was a Dell/HP requirement. It was brutal!!! 😃
Tough clients!!!
 

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