SONY IER-Z1R
Oct 18, 2021 at 4:25 PM Post #10,996 of 15,290
They the tubeshad some oilysibstanceinside, i notoced that a few days ago whenifelt the back of myeats greasy and smelly and today i found theribeshad cracked and detached from the base of thejoint between cable and ear-mold-wire
 
Oct 18, 2021 at 9:31 PM Post #10,998 of 15,290
How Z1R look without the eubbwe hoses onthwhooksimage.jpg
That's so interesting. on mine it has liquid inside those hose thingies. I wonder how it got inside there since its all sealed. I know its condensation but how the hell it got inside there.

On another note. Did any IER Z1R users has any problems with the filter foams inside. I saw that some pairs the filter is more recessed than others, mine is pretty recessed too.I would assume the humidity makes the foam smaller or contract idk? Crinacle measured them filterless as well and they sound all over the place.
Did anyone manage to replace the filters or even take 'em out ?
 
Oct 18, 2021 at 9:52 PM Post #10,999 of 15,290
That's so interesting. on mine it has liquid inside those hose thingies. I wonder how it got inside there since its all sealed. I know its condensation but how the hell it got inside there.

On another note. Did any IER Z1R users has any problems with the filter foams inside. I saw that some pairs the filter is more recessed than others, mine is pretty recessed too.I would assume the humidity makes the foam smaller or contract idk? Crinacle measured them filterless as well and they sound all over the place.
Did anyone manage to replace the filters or even take 'em out ?
There is liquid in both my stock cables.

Whitiger among others played around with removing the stock foam filters and replacing it with foam of a different density
 
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Oct 18, 2021 at 10:03 PM Post #11,000 of 15,290
That's so interesting. on mine it has liquid inside those hose thingies. I wonder how it got inside there since its all sealed. I know its condensation but how the hell it got inside there.

On another note. Did any IER Z1R users has any problems with the filter foams inside. I saw that some pairs the filter is more recessed than others, mine is pretty recessed too.I would assume the humidity makes the foam smaller or contract idk? Crinacle measured them filterless as well and they sound all over the place.
Did anyone manage to replace the filters or even take 'em out ?
On the subject of foams inside nozzles -- here is how mine look, if I was to guesstimate -- around 2.5mm below surface level.
Is yours around the same?
And of course wonder how everyone else's foams look like.... saw some stock photos of IER-Z1R and the foams seem to be almost at the very top, that has gotten me wondering...

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Oct 18, 2021 at 10:05 PM Post #11,001 of 15,290
There is liquid in both my stock cables.

Whitiger among others played around with removing the stick foam filters and replacing it with foam of a different density
Yea I read that but I'm too scared to do that, although I would be curious to see a video of someone doing it, curious to see how big the stock foam is and how it looks inside and how to do it.

And yea the liquid thing in the cables is weird. I was thinking puncturing the plastic hose with a small needle for it to come out. Although I still have the warranty for them. I just hope the liquid won't ruin the cable connections
 
Oct 18, 2021 at 10:13 PM Post #11,002 of 15,290
On the subject of foams inside nozzles -- here is how mine look, if I was to guesstimate -- around 2.5mm below surface level.
Is yours around the same?
And of course wonder how everyone else's foams look like.... saw some stock photos of IER-Z1R and the foams seem to be almost at the very top, that has gotten me wondering...

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That’s how mine looks as well
 
Oct 18, 2021 at 10:20 PM Post #11,003 of 15,290
On the subject of foams inside nozzles -- here is how mine look, if I was to guesstimate -- around 2.5mm below surface level.
Is yours around the same?
And of course wonder how everyone else's foams look like.... saw some stock photos of IER-Z1R and the foams seem to be almost at the very top, that has gotten me wondering...

1634608960439.jpeg
Here's mine left and right. They're kinda the same as yours. Been having them for more than one year now. How about yours ?
 

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Oct 19, 2021 at 12:05 AM Post #11,004 of 15,290
Yea I read that but I'm too scared to do that, although I would be curious to see a video of someone doing it, curious to see how big the stock foam is and how it looks inside and how to do it.

And yea the liquid thing in the cables is weird. I was thinking puncturing the plastic hose with a small needle for it to come out. Although I still have the warranty for them. I just hope the liquid won't ruin the cable connections
it aint intentionally put in from factory? I guess we wont know until someone have a brand new pair and immediately snip theirs off.
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 12:41 AM Post #11,005 of 15,290
So before I returned the Dunu Blanche I figured I’d give it another good listen. In the process I surprised myself.

I’m no sound or electrical engineer. But for reference, my career is in sociolinguistics. I have to notice small differences in any kind of communication, and I’ve had to train on phonetics for the field on tonal languages which have extremely subtle tone differences on ‘the same’ sounds to mean completely different words. Furthermore, I have to transcribe in the International Phonetic Alphabet in realtime (http://ipachart.com/) which often has extremely fine differences in phonetics of the human mouth. All to say that I am extremely practiced at sitting and listening to recording after recording after recording of what sounds like the same thing and actually being responsible, with consequences, for correctly transcribing the tones and phonetics with painfully small differences that take multiple listens, sometimes fifty, just to catch. On top of that I was a very dedicated percussionist for a long time known for listening carefully to sound quality, detail, and resonance on everything from triangles to re-tuning six timpani to six new notes in only two allègre measures in the middle of a symphony. I am extremely sensitive to sound, especially noise pollution. Idiots who leafblow instead of rake are the bane of my, and the songbirds’, existence (I can’t wait for the noisy and smelly fossil fuel era to fade into painful memory). I also clean my ears very carefully lol. I’m sure others have more bona fides, these are just so that you know what my subjective opinion rests on. I’m specialized in hearing slight differences, of some sorts, as I’m sure many sound engineers, mixers, and musicians are in their own ways.

So, unbalanced connection, on my NW-A105TPS. I switched back and forth quickly, many times, on the same two songs (Over the Hills and Far Away 96/24 FLAC and My Home is in the Delta 11.2896MHz DSD), at the same point of each song. I did it so many times that often I forgot which cable I had plugged in, which was really an opportunity to judge the sound.

An annoying process to be sure. At first, the different impressions were more airiness and detail with the Blanche. Noting the contrasting visual characteristics of copper vs silver I was wary of any parallels I might draw between the auditory and the visual–with silver being a colder, brighter, harsher, more revealing color and copper being warmer, darker–so forth and so on. Also noting the tendency to justify purchases may bias me… When I thought the Blanche was more airy, or with a wider soundstage, or with more instrument separation, I realized the cables were lighter and more comfortable, and the cord organizer wasn’t tightened, thus not up against as much of my neck, and the cords were even a bit colder to the touch, all which one could unconsciously associate with such descriptors. So I would start over and ensure the cords were in the same position, and sure enough that was what I was making an association between with the sound. When I closely isolated various song details, I could not identify what was different but I did have the intuition that something was slightly different. After a long time, a few hours of listening to the same 30 seconds of the same two songs over and over, I came to realize that the Blanche was unpleasant with a small number of high frequency impactful sounds like particularly harsh guitar strums or plucks, some snare drum hits, crash and ride cymbals. In that soundspace, such sounds that had initially seemed a tiny more detailed with the Blanche actually revealed themselves to be harsh, unpleasant, unrefined, even perhaps, distorted. Keep in mind that at this point I was beyond the microscope of these sounds into what AntMan would call the Quantum Realm: very very small scale. These terms are also probably imprecise references vis-à-vis the proper lexicon for such tests and measurements: it wouldn’t shock me if someone laser-penned their powerpoint chart showing me that there was no distortion, harshness, whatever. Anyway, it was more apparent in the poorer Led Zeppelin recording than the higher quality Muddy Waters song (and I don’t mean filetype but rather the quality of the original recording job). Once I heard it, I couldn’t unhear it, and it persevered after controlling every variable I could think of: ear tips, insertion, position, cable position, skin contact, comfort and discomfort, whatever. Compared to the Blanche the stock cable seemed to, in my opinion, work with the headphones in a complimentary way for easier, more enjoyable listening. I had my friend randomly swap the cable and place them in my ear until I said it was positioned correctly (because if I touched it I would be able to feel the connector and know which cable it was). I still heard it and didn’t want to listen anymore. It had become all I could hear. At the risk of exaggeration, the stock cable seems to optimally tame / harness / balance the sound of these IEMs. Of course by now my eyes are Catherine Wheels and I even hear a phone ring blast in The Ocean (Led Zeppelin) around 1:38 (I swear I hear it!)

The big surprise came afterwards. I don’t know why but when I sat down to work I grabbed my FiiO Q3 and plugged it into the walkman, then used the balanced stock cable to the headphones. I wasn’t thinking about the sound anymore but rather consumed by how behind I am now for wasting my time on such a stupid experiment. Anyway the surprise was that after knowing the sound of that song for so long, when I just hit play and it was still on that song my attention immediately came back to the sound: it was junk. Relatively speaking. Muddled, suffocated, and dull. It was so strange. Now of course I was insane by this point, I felt like I knew the thread count of the carpet in the recording studios of these two songs. I put the unbalanced cable back on and it was resolved. Tried a few times and sure enough, the unbalanced was cleaner with more separation and detail. It’s splitting Higgs Bosons of course at this stage, I would have never noticed it a few hours ago. But there you have it.

Keep in mind that the unbalanced is processed by the Walkman only, and the balanced is processed (also?) by the FiiO Q3.

I’m probably just out of my mind. I’ll stop procrastinating now that I’ve boxed up that balanced connection and the Q3 for the auditory joy and simplicity of the unbalanced life. Anyway, my G.A.S. is satiated and I’m now trying to cure the hangover…
Forget messing around with cables! I just tried the Z1Rs with a tiny little schiit amp and their Loki mini equalizer and wow! The IEMagni is a cool, precise, impressive amp with the Loki and the Modi Multibit. Razor sharp. But what is really sending me over the moon is the sound of these on the hybrid solid state/ tube Vali 2+ amp with the Loki Mini + equalizer. Wow! What sound out of this tiny little miniature tube amp! It adds so much airiness and substance to the Z1Rs, while the Loki is so clean at filling in those male vocals everyone laments. I love this combo! It’s like the Vali 2+ and Loki are made for these IEMs!

I’m waiting for delivery of a Valhalla 2 to try with the Loki, which is 100% tube, and I’ll report back. But wow! If you were considering spending $350 on the dunu cable forget it and spend $270 on the Vali 2+, Loki mini + and their snake oil cable connectors. Audiovana!
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 2:14 AM Post #11,006 of 15,290
How is the comfort, and do you prefer with or without these tubes?
I like the comfort, since the tubing is OMO too large, they always slipped put of my ears.

Now without the plastic tubes the fit perfectly onthe back of my ears and stay in place form
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 2:20 AM Post #11,007 of 15,290
Hello Z1R Owners :L3000:

i have been listening for Over Ear Headphones for quite a while and now i wanted to come back to some IEMs and purchased a Z1R :ksc75smile:

My ifi Pro iCAN and Pro iDSD is a bit of an overkill for this IEM and i want a more portable and small setup. So i consider a solution like Chord Hugo2. I have read some good synergy things about the Hugo2 and the IER Z1R. But what is "the best" or "the go to" pairing for a Z1R? I also may want to purchase a MDR Z1R in the future so it would be great if the device can also power the MDR Z1R.

The WM1A and WM1Z are not really an option for me because most of the time i stream music via Roon or Qobuz :L3000:

Thanks for your help :)
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 2:53 AM Post #11,008 of 15,290
Forget messing around with cables! I just tried the Z1Rs with a tiny little schiit amp and their Loki mini equalizer and wow! The IEMagni is a cool, precise, impressive amp with the Loki and the Modi Multibit. Razor sharp. But what is really sending me over the moon is the sound of these on the hybrid solid state/ tube Vali 2+ amp with the Loki Mini + equalizer. Wow! What sound out of this tiny little miniature tube amp! It adds so much airiness and substance to the Z1Rs, while the Loki is so clean at filling in those male vocals everyone laments. I love this combo! It’s like the Vali 2+ and Loki are made for these IEMs!

I’m waiting for delivery of a Valhalla 2 to try with the Loki, which is 100% tube, and I’ll report back. But wow! If you were considering spending $350 on the dunu cable forget it and spend $270 on the Vali 2+, Loki mini + and their snake oil cable connectors. Audiovana!
Good Schiit mate!

Curious to hear your thoughts on the Valhalla2 driving the Z1R when you get it. Vali2+ was enough tubes for me at this point, as I also recently added the Jot2 to 'complete' my SS setup for now...but there's always another upgrade somewhere, right?
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 2:26 PM Post #11,009 of 15,290
Hello Z1R Owners :L3000:

i have been listening for Over Ear Headphones for quite a while and now i wanted to come back to some IEMs and purchased a Z1R :ksc75smile:

My ifi Pro iCAN and Pro iDSD is a bit of an overkill for this IEM and i want a more portable and small setup. So i consider a solution like Chord Hugo2. I have read some good synergy things about the Hugo2 and the IER Z1R. But what is "the best" or "the go to" pairing for a Z1R? I also may want to purchase a MDR Z1R in the future so it would be great if the device can also power the MDR Z1R.

The WM1A and WM1Z are not really an option for me because most of the time i stream music via Roon or Qobuz :L3000:

Thanks for your help :)
If you can get your hands on an iBasso DX300 Max, that would be what I would recommend. It is the best portable sound I’ve heard with Z1R. My next choice would be the Shanling M8.

Both of those daps outclass the WM1Z for sound synergy with Z1R imo.
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 2:29 PM Post #11,010 of 15,290
If you can get your hands on an iBasso DX300 Max, that would be what I would recommend. It is the best portable sound I’ve heard with Z1R. My next choice would be the Shanling M8.

Both of those daps outclass the WM1Z for sound synergy with Z1R imo.
Can only agree the Max is incredible with Z1R.
 

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