[marvin3003]

How would z1r compete with kse 1200/1500?

will the 1200 and 1500 also al few levels above z1r?

 

[Kitechaser]

I’ve actually found two BA only IEMs which I like the bass on. Both are Chinese; the DM6 and the qdc Anole V3. Both actually don’t maybe have the most well rounded tuning. And while the bass is fast and goes low, it’s surprising to me as I had always thought BA’s by their nature had bad bass decay and couldn’t go so low. They both probably don’t go quite as low as DDs can? But........they go low enough that I like them with bass heavy genres like EDM.

Still I agree, maybe I’m just used to BAs now? It’s great that Sony has taken the path they have chosen with the IER-Z1R; and I have confidence they will get it right. I’m looking forward to it being not perfect; but providing many perfect listening sessions.

Cheers!

I have the DM6, got it after the CL2. Burned it in for 200 hours, in the last month have gotten maybe 90 minutes of listening time on it.
Its being gifted to family. It's a good BA iem, but completely destroyed for me after the Planar.

 

[Kitechaser]

How would z1r compete with kse 1200/1500?

will the 1200 and 1500 also al few levels above z1r?

The electrostats are next gen drivers, we are waiting to see how the Sony match up, but I would say, this is where all the innovation is.
Once you listen them or a good planar, it's kind of hard to go back.
Think 4k vs 1080p or in most cases 720p

 

[Redcarmoose]

@https://www.head-fi.org/members/kitechaser.500941/
I’ll have to give those a go.

 

[Kitechaser]

@https://www.head-fi.org/members/kitechaser.500941/
I’ll have to give those a go.

Read the thread, the last 10-15 pages, so you know what to expect

 

[ericp10]

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[davidmolliere]

Amazon apparently has not gotten the news... confusing, usually they're reliable...

 

[marvin3003]

Yes it still says
30 nov 1dec as selivery date for me me also.

 

[Mormonsloot]

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[FangJoker]

The electrostats are next gen drivers, we are waiting to see how the Sony match up, but I would say, this is where all the innovation is.
Once you listen them or a good planar, it's kind of hard to go back.
Think 4k vs 1080p or in most cases 720p

Most TV broadcasts are in 720P. I'm kinda hoping that we get 4K sports as the standard in the next 5 years, but I kinda doubt it as we can't even get 1080P sports or regular TV broadcasting. I owned a Stax headphone setup several years ago, but felt like the bass was kinda lacking. So electrostatic drivers in IEMs are better in this regard? I have avoided the Shure threads because of the cost and inconvenience of needing a seperate amp/dac, but the Jomo Trinity got me excited.

 

[Kitechaser]

Most TV broadcasts are in 720P. I'm kinda hoping that we get 4K sports as the standard in the next 5 years, but I kinda doubt it as we can't even get 1080P sports or regular TV broadcasting. I owned a Stax headphone setup several years ago, but felt like the bass was kinda lacking. So electrostatic drivers in IEMs are better in this regard? I have avoided the Shure threads because of the cost and inconvenience of needing a seperate amp/dac, but the Jomo Trinity got me excited.

The bass on the CL2 is very tip dependent. With the tennmak wide tips, I get very deep insertion and bass hits as hard of any dynamic IEM I have had outside of the Vega and Atlas. (On certain EDM tracks bass in my throat) I do not think they are lacking in bass, they render it beautifully when called for.
It is visceral, and the texture and decay is like no other IEM I have ever listened to.
Drums and string instruments sound like the real thing and I can feel every guitar chord being plucked.
On top of that the driver responds to EQ better than anything else I have ever used. ( I don't use EQ myself but you can tailor the sound however you want )
There is zero distortion on any of the frequencies. Micro details everywhere.
Warning:
1) the CL2 require a 100 hours of burn in out of the box, something to do with the planar driver needing to loosen up.
2) you will need to invest in a OCC copper cable, the stock cables are not very good, and have a metallic timbre.
3) Tip rolling. Wide mouth deep insertion tips are required for the best sound.
(Spiral dots, symbios, tennmak tips are current consensus)
Outside of that easily one of the best iems on the market, and with a 10% off coupon on audio46, a great deal for 800 dollars.

 

[Kitechaser]

Most TV broadcasts are in 720P. I'm kinda hoping that we get 4K sports as the standard in the next 5 years, but I kinda doubt it as we can't even get 1080P sports or regular TV broadcasting. I owned a Stax headphone setup several years ago, but felt like the bass was kinda lacking. So electrostatic drivers in IEMs are better in this regard? I have avoided the Shure threads because of the cost and inconvenience of needing a seperate amp/dac, but the Jomo Trinity got me excited.

Sorry I misunderstood your post.
Micro details on the planars and electrostats are on another level.
Crowd noise of almost all iems, sounds generic, on these drivers, I am able to hear individual people talking, whistling, laughing. You feel like you are there.
The level of resolution and details is outstanding.
The same resolution applies to bass response, the textures, the drivers are able to recover faster, and can render bass riffs that sound like harsh noise on less resolving drivers.
You can hear singers licking their lips, instruments in the mix that pop up that you had no idea were there.
Its a crazy experience.
Especially shine with 24/192 recordings.

 

[bobeau]

So electrostatic drivers in IEMs are better in this regard? I have avoided the Shure threads because of the cost and inconvenience of needing a seperate amp/dac, but the Jomo Trinity got me excited.

The bass is fantastic in the Shures, just look at the various FR graphs posted. The small enclosure makes all the difference. If there is any issue with the presentation for the Shures it's in the upper treble having spikes and valleys. It's not a huge deal, but I apply some eq and find it makes a nice improvement.

Yes, there is a separate amp, which it comes with. Any of these options require a DAC, or not. It's not going to be an on-the-go pocketable system unless you're wearing cargo pants or using something like an old iPod shuffle as a source.

As to the price... as I mentioned a couple times already, I got my KSE1200s open box for the same price as the Solaris goes for new, and way less than the Sonys will be once they finally launch. If someone doesn't want to say go much above $1000, I get it. But once we're talking about options in the same price category, the fact that these aren't being regularly mentioned and compared is a grave disservice to the Head-fi community. From a technical perspective they're the most advanced thing out there, full stop, and the reviews bear out them being the most transparent/detailed things you can shove in your ears.

 

[Kitechaser]

The bass is fantastic in the Shures, just look at the various FR graphs posted. The small enclosure makes all the difference. If there is any issue with the presentation for the Shures it's in the upper treble having spikes and valleys. It's not a huge deal, but I apply some eq and find it makes a nice improvement.

Yes, there is a separate amp, which it comes with. Any of these options require a DAC, or not. It's not going to be an on-the-go pocketable system unless you're wearing cargo pants or using something like an old iPod shuffle as a source.

As to the price... as I mentioned a couple times already, I got my KSE1200s open box for the same price as the Solaris goes for new, and way less than the Sonys will be once they finally launch. If someone doesn't want to say go much above $1000, I get it. But once we're talking about options in the same price category, the fact that these aren't being regularly mentioned and compared is a grave disservice to the Head-fi community. From a technical perspective they're the most advanced thing out there, full stop, and the reviews bear out them being the most transparent/detailed things you can shove in your ears.

Completely agree. Anyone considering TOTL iems should have electrostats and planars near the top of their list.
They are hard to beat when it comes to SQ.

 

[Vitaly2017]

So if I ask wich is best iem in this order which one would u pick ...

Ier z1r
Solaris
Tia forte
Phantom
Kse1200/kse1500
Hd800s