Smyth Research Realiser A16
Nov 4, 2021 at 2:56 AM Post #12,766 of 15,989
There’re new release notes for Firmware (rev. 2.05 Oct 20 2021 - *Revised) at Smyth Research site.
https://smyth-research.com/downloads/

It seems they disambiguated the firmware update procedure. At “STEP 6. The firmware update is now complete. A Full factory restore must be run to properly initialize the Sound Rooms and Presets”, they highlighted Full factory restore in red, as opposed to Restore factory setup in the previous firmware update pdf file.

So, Full factory restore need to be enabled and carried out.

Later edit: However, it remains to be clarified what those who carried out Restore factory setup after updating to 2.05 (as previously recommended) and confronted issues afterwards must do? Maybe a new reinstall of firmware 2.05 followed by full factory restore or wait for additional instructions?
 
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Nov 4, 2021 at 3:50 AM Post #12,767 of 15,989
I 100% agree that the message should not permanently display during pass-through. I would use the feature on a frequent basis for casual viewing........but don't want to chance any burn-in down the road.

I haven't tried it yet, but I wonder if the "LCD OFF" setting (in Settings -> System -> Misc settings) is functional in blanking the screen with the "HDMI PASS-THROUGH ACTIVE" message on it after the specified number of minutes of remote inactivity, in the same way it blanks the normal speaker map display? Not that I want my dispay to go blank under any circumstances, which is why I don't have that LCD OFF feature enabled. But still, I wonder if it would blank the "HDMI PASS-THROUGH ACTIVE" message if it were enabled.

Of course it shouldn't remain on 100% forever in any case if there's no further need for the function, if only the seemingly well-intentioned and clearly documented supposed 2-step ability to temporarily stop this partial pass-through standby state and temporarily revert to FULL STANDBY even when this switch is enabled, by simply a quick second press of the POWER button while already in the first stage HDMI PASS-THROUGH STANDBY from the first press of the POWER button actually worked! I've already reported that this second step of going to full-standby DOES NOT WORK AS DOCUMENTED, but intead actually powers the A16 fully back on when that second press of the POWER button occurs. This needs to be fixed.

Of course I'm just as concerned about the HT power (to both HT and ST) mistakenly not also being shut down when in this HDMI pass-through partial standby state. Clearly this was overlooked in the current firmware implementation and also needs to be fixed.

The other part of this story of wrongly implemented functionality is how HDMI pass-through works when the A16 is powered on, and HDMI Settings for the HDMI source is set to "AUDIO BYPASS" enabled. What happens here is that SVS processing to the headphones is disabled, and instead audio/video is routed unprocessed to the HDMI output of the A16 and thus passed on untouched to the AVR/TV for playing on real speakers. And the display screen shows a big red message about audio bypass active. Speaker map is not shown, as there is SVS processing going to the headphones.

Well, once again, there needs to be a quick and easy and TEMPORARY two-step way to revert to normal headphone processing (i.e. to remporarily TURN OFF AUDIO BYPASS) without requiring going through the entire tedious process of BACK -> Settings -> System -> HDMI Settings -> disable AUDIO BYPASS, because the current situation merits using headphones.

Alternatively, why need it be even necessary to have an "audio bypass" setting (which currently is a PERMANENT choice, that prevents SVS and headphone listening)? Why not simply have a built-in ON/OFF toggle using some key on the remote, which temporarily switches from headphone vs. audio-bypass? In other words depending on whether I actually want to listen through my AVR and room speakers or headphones, I simply toggle the A16 using that master button on the remote? Why is it really necessary to have a settings-based permanent choice at all?

In other words, same as with the full HDMI pass-through while in standby mode that you want to use when you want to use it, but otherwise you'd like to turn it off when not in use... without having to do that through Settings... it's also true that I'd like to be able to have HDMI audio-bypass possible when the A16 is powered on to listen casually through AVR/speakers, but also to be able to easily temporarily disable that option if want to so I could listen through headphones if I want to... again without having to do that through Settings.

Bottom line: Smyth needs to think through what the user might really want to do since HDMI sources are being routed through the A16, which includes a simple choice of listening through headphones or speakers. And the functionality must be implemented to easily and temporarily toggle to listen to either headphones or speakers, with a button on the remote controlling this rather than requiring a tedious journey through Settings. This is much like how they responded to our request for "instant direct preset selection" using the numeric keypad, which is a far more commonly needed function than soloing speakers... although BOTH are needed. User convenience implemented through a remote button is obviously needed here.

And the HT circuit needs to be powered down if headphones are not in use. And the "HDMI pass-through active" display perhaps should be "moved around the screen" every few seconds like any screen saver would do, to avoid burn-in.
 
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Nov 4, 2021 at 10:37 AM Post #12,768 of 15,989
I think some functions and the way they are implemented may be targeted towards professional users, like the complicated Level calibration procedure. So maybe the audio bypass function is also more for pro users?
I think first of all they will fulfill the needs of the pro users.
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 12:08 PM Post #12,769 of 15,989
Sorry to ask what I'm sure is a problem that has been solved in the course of this thread, but:

My A16 used to decode Atmos out of my Xbox Series S using the "bitstream" and "Dolby Atmos" settings on the console itself. Since updating my firmware (which apparently entailed re-calibrating my HPEQ!) it seems that I can only get sound of my console by using the "HDMI audio 5.1 uncompressed" mode. I am really confused by this and it's one of several "janky" problems with my A16, including sometimes failing to initiate multichannel streams correctly (instead playing the L & R channels of those streams). (This was actually the problem that made me update the firmware in the first place.) I can reproduce Atmos from a blu-ray, so what's up here?
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 12:20 PM Post #12,770 of 15,989
which apparently entailed re-calibrating my HPEQ!
What do you mean, you somehow lost a HPEQ?
I think that should not be possible normally?

Anyway, I would always copy all my measurements (and manLoud HPEQs etc.) to sd card and from there to storage elsewhere just in case something bad happens with your A16.
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 5:00 PM Post #12,771 of 15,989
What do you mean, you somehow lost a HPEQ?
I think that should not be possible normally?

Anyway, I would always copy all my measurements (and manLoud HPEQs etc.) to sd card and from there to storage elsewhere just in case something bad happens with your A16.
After the firmware has updated you have to do a factory reset, which in my case completely reset everything so I had to learn to use I all over again! If you're meant to back up your settings to an SD card that isn't made clear in the instructions but, regardless, I survived. I haven't made any room IRs so that part of the reset didn't affect me.
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 5:26 PM Post #12,772 of 15,989
James has sent me a link to new firmware to try.
I won't be able to check this out until later but I'd like to express my thanks to James for the swift reply to my email.
wondering is this a newer firmware than the one they posted on the download site.... the update I did seem'd to go OK but I did notice a room or two that were orphaned even after doing the reset as required so I'm thinking something still isn't quite right about this firmware version... also maybe I am imagining things but this update seems to make the A16 cleaner playback.. I don't hear any pops that I used to hear...
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 6:43 PM Post #12,773 of 15,989
Similar to @jazzfan’s setup, I will also have to feed content into my A16 exclusively from a streaming device. To get the most out of the A16 from such a simple setup, any recommendations as to which streamer to use for movies and music? Would the more expensive options of Apple TV 4K (2021) or Nvidia Shield TV be a better option to Fire TV Stick 4K for example in terms of getting more out of the A16 (quality of sound and quantity of Atmos and other specialised content for A16)? Are there any other better options any of you can recommend? Thank you.
To test Dolby Atmos with the Realiser, I looked for the least expensive movie streaming solution available and found the Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K (FS4K). I've been happy with its performance and haven't felt the need to upgrade. I don't have experience with the other solutions you mentioned and can't comment on their performance or quality.

With the FS4K, music streaming is available via apps for various services like Spotify, Tidal, Pandora, and of course, Amazon Music. You can also stream your local music collection by installing the Plex app. So, if you want to keep it simple, the FS4K is a good all-in-one movie/music streaming solution.

However, I prefer running Roon ROCK on an Intel NUC for streaming Hi-res music, with a network-connected Raspberry Pi4 running Roon Bridge connected to the Realiser via USB. This solution is more expensive and complicated, but a good choice if music sound quality is a priority.

Hopefully, others here can comment on higher quality solutions for streaming movies and music to the Realiser.
 
Nov 4, 2021 at 7:55 PM Post #12,774 of 15,989
After the firmware has updated you have to do a factory reset, which in my case completely reset everything so I had to learn to use I all over again! If you're meant to back up your settings to an SD card that isn't made clear in the instructions but, regardless, I survived. I haven't made any room IRs so that part of the reset didn't affect me.
Of course I don't know exactly what happened in your case, but normally only some presets and listening rooms are reset but your PRIRs and HPEQs should still be in the internal memory so you just need to setup the listening rooms and presets again, selecting your HPEQ and selecting virtual speakers from your and/or other PRIRs again.
As for making an external backup: that is always a wise idea in case something unexpected happens.
 
Nov 5, 2021 at 2:53 AM Post #12,775 of 15,989
..................................., but normally only some presets and listening rooms are reset but your PRIRs and HPEQs should still be in the internal memory so you just need to setup the listening rooms and presets again, selecting your HPEQ and selecting virtual speakers from your and/or other PRIRs again. As for making an external backup: that is always a wise idea in case something unexpected happens.
Just an additional comment. As Smyth Research posted a revised firmware update pdf file, a full factory restore is a requirement from now on. The user manual at page no. 44, specifies that full factory restore “includes all the configuration data, all the Listening Rooms and all Presets for both users. It also erases any PRIR and HPEQ measurement data from the circular memory buffers. However, PRIR and HPEQ files in permanent memory are not erased.”
 
Nov 5, 2021 at 5:06 AM Post #12,776 of 15,989
wondering is this a newer firmware than the one they posted on the download site.... the update I did seem'd to go OK but I did notice a room or two that were orphaned even after doing the reset as required so I'm thinking something still isn't quite right about this firmware version... also maybe I am imagining things but this update seems to make the A16 cleaner playback.. I don't hear any pops that I used to hear...
The firmware James sent is marked as v2.06.
My A16 now loads and boots to the screen but I still have no video output going to my monitor.
I suspect I have a hardware issue and I'm waiting for James to let me know what repair options are available to me.
 
Nov 5, 2021 at 11:49 AM Post #12,777 of 15,989
The firmware James sent is marked as v2.06.
My A16 now loads and boots to the screen but I still have no video output going to my monitor.
I suspect I have a hardware issue and I'm waiting for James to let me know what repair options are available to me.
do you have another TV or monitor to plug it into... wonder what they changed in v2.06
 
Nov 5, 2021 at 12:29 PM Post #12,778 of 15,989
I tried my Pioneer 6090 and a LG 29" UHD monitor. The problem is with the A16.
I've received a reply from James who is of the opinion that the HDMI has become corrupt and I will need to send the unit back for repair.
As I need to send the unit back, I have asked James if its possible (and cost) to have the A16 updated to 24ch and DTS-X.
 
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