Aug 14, 2016 at 4:32 PM Post #196 of 16,962
I listened to the A16 today, and like anyone who has heard it I was thoroughly impressed. One small piece of information Stephen told me that I don't remember reading anywhere is that if you are using the head-tracker it will compensate if you sit off-axis (ie the sound will still appear to be coming from the speakers' actual positions). This will be useful for anyone who intends to use it with a second person.
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 4:42 PM Post #197 of 16,962
Hi. I had a demonstration of the A16 at CanJam London today. I was absolutely stunned.
I am very tempted to join the Kickstart.
My concern is that I have seen the system expertly set up and demonstrated.
What are my chances of replicating this on my own in my home?
Especially given that I am not very technically minded or computer literate.
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 4:56 PM Post #198 of 16,962
My understanding from reading the old A8 thread is that you may need a few tries before getting the microphone positions right, but in your own home you can have as many goes as you like. My intention is to practice at home before venturing to any studio to try it out. (I backed the Kickstarter)
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 5:02 PM Post #199 of 16,962
My understanding from reading the old A8 thread is that you may need a few tries before getting the microphone positions right, but in your own home you can have as many goes as you like. My intention is to practice at home before venturing to any studio to try it out. (I backed the Kickstarter)

Thank you very much for the reply. I just wonder how complicated set up is. I do not have a speaker system at home so would initially be relying on pre sets and eventually going to a studio. I wonder how much back up Smyth are able to give if I have problems understanding the software.
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 5:08 PM Post #200 of 16,962
Thank you very much for the reply. I just wonder how complicated set up is. I do not have a speaker system at home so would initially be relying on pre sets and eventually going to a studio. I wonder how much back up Smyth are able to give if I have problems understanding the software.

I think there are some A8 owners who frequent this forum who will be able to answer you better than me, but Stephen told me he has been answering direct emails from people daily since the Kickstarter began, and they seemed like very helpful people today!
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 5:12 PM Post #201 of 16,962
  I think there are some A8 owners who frequent this forum who will be able to answer you better than me, but Stephen told me he has been answering direct emails from people daily since the Kickstarter began, and they seemed like very helpful people today!

Yes, there is a lot of information over on the Realiser A8 thread about doing measurements. I can't comment any more, but other Realiser A8 owners could.
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 6:06 PM Post #202 of 16,962
I'm #259
Regarding measurements of my home theater room, is there currently a user guide available online that explains how one do this?
 
Aug 14, 2016 at 9:50 PM Post #203 of 16,962
I listened to the A16 today, and like anyone who has heard it I was thoroughly impressed. One small piece of information Stephen told me that I don't remember reading anywhere is that if you are using the head-tracker it will compensate if you sit off-axis (ie the sound will still appear to be coming from the speakers' actual positions). This will be useful for anyone who intends to use it with a second person.

Hmm! That's interesting, but I don't fully understand... You mean to say, if you sit to the left of the sweet spot, it will sound like you are sitting off to one side? Uuuuh, could be realistic... But can you make it so you're always sitting in the sweet spot?


LajostheHun said:
 I'm #259

Congrats! Welcome to the party.
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 2:15 AM Post #204 of 16,962
Hmm! That's interesting, but I don't fully understand... You mean to say, if you sit to the left of the sweet spot, it will sound like you are sitting off to one side? Uuuuh, could be realistic... But can you make it so you're always sitting in the sweet spot?

If you don't use the head-tracker, it will always seem that sound is coming from the speakers exactly as they were when you made your PRIR calibration, which presumably was right in the sweet spot of the listening environment.  No matter where you really are now in your home theater, the speakers will always "seemingly be" directly in front of you and arrayed around you, completely unchanging no matter what your actual head angle or seating position is.  There is no head-tracker effect whatsoever.
 
The point of the head-tracker is to keep the virtual speakers stationary in your virtual listening environment presented through the headphones, adding an additional sensation of virtual reality.  Just as turning your head or moving off-center from the speakers in the original measured listening environment represented by the PRIR would give signals to your brain to confirm that you had moved or rotated your head, the head-tracker purpose is to produce that same effect via headphones.  So if you eliminate the head-tracker, you also eliminate all such cues and thus all such effects.  And you also eliminate all such "virtual realism" based on head angle and seating position in your playback theater.
 
To each his own, but for me I have been operating with my A8 since 2009 without using the head-tracker. I know, I am a heretic, but I am never turning my head when I sit in my chair watching a movie or HDTV on my display.  I never move off-center, and I never turn my head.  I just sit still, looking straight ahead anyway.  So even if I used the head-tracker the virtual audio results would be the same as they already are, with me sitting in a perfect viewing/listening position (assuming I actually had a real multiple speaker system in my playback room, which I don't).  I'm perfectly satisfied having a "frozen sound field" through my headphones that exactly matches my PRIR measurement in the original listening environment.
 
To be honest, the most important thing is to be lucky enough to have your own personal PRIR measurement performed in a truly superb listening environment (e.g. AIX studios in LA).  Borrowing someone else's PRIR, or using a "stock delivered PRIR" is NEVER going to produce the effect possible from having your own personalized measurement no matter how good or bad the listening environment is that you are actually trying to capture.  Having your own personal PRIR measurement in that superb (or any, for that matter) environment is the only way you'll really have an accurate "duplication" of that environment when you use the PRIR for playback.  Otherwise, it's always going to be like using somebody else's prescription eyeglasses instead of having your own, but as applied to hearing.
 
All things considered, and if some compromise must be made, THE most important factor to getting truly the maximum effect and realism with Realiser technology is to get your own PRIR measurement made from a reasonable (if not superb) listening environment, as it will reflect your own ears and auditory structure of your head and thus playback virtualization will be optimal for your brain's hearing system.  Head-tracker adds some virtual realism, but having your own personal PRIR for ANY listening environment is really what it's all about.
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 AM Post #205 of 16,962
Hi. I had a demonstration of the A16 at CanJam London today. I was absolutely stunned.
I am very tempted to join the Kickstart.
My concern is that I have seen the system expertly set up and demonstrated.
What are my chances of replicating this on my own in my home?
Especially given that I am not very technically minded or computer literate.

 
If you enjoyed what you heard at the show, you should contact Smyth and ask if they saved your PRIR measurements. If they did, I'm sure they can provide you with a copy. Then if you use the same headphones, you can replicate the same experience at home with your own Realiser.
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 5:24 AM Post #206 of 16,962
   
If you enjoyed what you heard at the show, you should contact Smyth and ask if they saved your PRIR measurements. If they did, I'm sure they can provide you with a copy. Then if you use the same headphones, you can replicate the same experience at home with your own Realiser.


​Or any (decent) pair of headphones. The point being that the Realiser equalises/delays whichever headphones you use to reproduce the exact sound it captured on the day.
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 5:42 AM Post #207 of 16,962
If you enjoyed what you heard at the show, you should contact Smyth and ask if they saved your PRIR measurements. If they did, I'm sure they can provide you with a copy. Then if you use the same headphones, you can replicate the same experience at home with your own Realiser.



​Or any (decent) pair of headphones. The point being that the Realiser equalises/delays whichever headphones you use to reproduce the exact sound it captured on the day.

I'll check that out. Do you guys reckon using the Realiser purely for two channel music is not really an appropriate use?
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 6:04 AM Post #208 of 16,962
I'll check that out. Do you guys reckon using the Realiser purely for two channel music is not really an appropriate use?

Personally I think it's a totally appropriate use, even though it is capable of so much more. I spend far more time listening to music than watching movies.
 
Aug 15, 2016 at 6:16 AM Post #210 of 16,962
I don't own one yet! I have to wait until next May like the other Kickstarter backers. A8 owners can correct me but it seems that simply capturing a room is relatively straightforward but then you can get into a lot of corrections/manipulations. The A16 has a webpage-based setup so it may be much easier.
 

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