Shure SRH 940 impression and support thread

[kiteki]

 
I dunno, I'm picking up a vibe of 840 fanboyism and people don't want to accept how good the 940 is, when I listened to them they did not sound like "the same headphone voiced differently".
 
 
If there's people that don't want to accept the 940 is a good headphone, they should just get over it and sell their 840 or HD800 or whatever.
 
 
Anyway can someone tell me a cheaper headphone than the 940 which excels it?
 
 

 

[R-Audiohead]

Oldshoe99, I ask that YOU help the head-fi community.
 
Please present your testing gear and the tracks you chose to utilize for your conclusions. It would give people a chance to create some sort of reference and maybe put ourselves in a similar experience to better understand your specific subjective experience in your comparison.
 
I am not seeing many facts period, including from you.
 
Facts, being bits of information that have been proven to exist.  Objective measures have a tendency to be facts for a particular sample set.  Honestly, I am not entirely convinced the opinions of three people is enough of a sample size to deduce a solid conclusion, but the existence for a specific conclusion can be noted.
 
If you remember WAY back in this thread, baka made some OBJECTIVE observations on the driver assembly of the 940 and 840, and pointed out (while providing images) many similarities between the driver structures.  He also noted that the enclosures behind the drivers seemed to be packed inconsistently.  Is it unreasonable to assume that this inconsistency could lead to some acoustical impacts?
 
Baka also inferred the possibility (and I tread carefully here, Baka only pointed it out as a possibility and not an errorhoneous conclusion) that maybe Shure utilizes a similar technique as Grado, where the same drivers are used between the models, but the ones that measure better (first chance at potential variation in end result sonics) are put into the better model and then voiced or tuned different (another chance for variation).
 
Between the inconsistent enclosure and the possibility of re-tuning drivers that already measure with some variation is it unreasonable to think all these (at times massive) differences of opinion are a result of an actual quality control problem? That models that are being released ARE indeed inconsistent and have variation that is large enough for our ears to indeed detect? Have these problems been noted in Grados lines?
 
There was also that large recall and push back release date for the 940. Did some of the "old" 940s hit the market?
 
This is ALL A MENTION OF POSSIBILITY.  I am not saying anything indefinitely, just giving a simple underhanded toss to a possible reason as to why opinions vary so much on this particular headphone.
 
The headphone could even be really picky with sources and amps, this hasn't hardly been addressed.
 
Accuse me of beating the dead horse, but there are just WAY too many variables to make a lot of blanket statements.
 
Oldshoe99, if you could share your gear with us it might HELP US to understand the root of your subjective experience with the HD800 and SRH940 and compare it to others.  Is this not the type of information that could prove helpful?  Or am I not worth your time because I ask questions and don't provide facts?

 

[MacedonianHero]

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I dunno, I'm picking up a vibe of 840 fanboyism and people don't want to accept how good the 940 is, when I listened to them they did not sound like "the same headphone voiced differently".
 
 
If there's people that don't want to accept the 940 is a good headphone, they should just get over it and sell their 840 or HD800 or whatever.
 
 
Anyway can someone tell me a cheaper headphone than the 940 which excels it?
 
 

FWIW, I own neither (used to own the 840s)...I happen to prefer the 840's tonality. That's all. The 940s are more comfortable with a sleeker design.
 

 

[oldshoe99]

 
I dunno, I'm picking up a vibe of 840 fanboyism and people don't want to accept how good the 940 is, when I listened to them they did not sound like "the same headphone voiced differently".
 
 
If there's people that don't want to accept the 940 is a good headphone, they should just get over it and sell their 840 or HD800 or whatever.
 
 
Anyway can someone tell me a cheaper headphone than the 940 which excels it?
 
 

Don't be concerned. Almost all of the anti-940 posts were just clowning or off topic.

Those people who want to spend their $1500 on a $300 sound that can be had in the 940 - be my guest. Senn is laughing last (he who laughs last laughs best).

 

[kiteki]

 
Sigh............ do the 940's have serial numbers?
 
 
Now I definitely have to buy one in-store.
 
 

 

[MacedonianHero]

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Don't be concerned. Almost all of the anti-940 posts were just clowning or off topic.

Those people who want to spend their $1500 on a $300 sound that can be had in the 940 - be my guest. Senn is laughing last (he who laughs last laughs best).

But I thought you said you had/owned an HD800? Upstream rig please?

 

[kiteki]

 
oldshoe99 if I buy the SRH-940 I'll demo it in-store first against the T5p and let you know the differences.
 
 
 

 

[MalVeauX]

Quote:

 
Sigh............ do the 940's have serial numbers?
 
 
Now I definitely have to buy one in-store.
 
 

Heya,
 
Where are you located? We could perhaps arrange you to borrow mine for a while if you're in the States.
 
Very best,
 

 

[oldshoe99]

Oldshoe99, I ask that YOU help the head-fi community.
 
Please present your testing gear and the tracks you chose to utilize for your conclusions. It would give people a chance to create some sort of reference and maybe put ourselves in a similar experience to better understand your specific subjective experience in your comparison.
 
I am not seeing many facts period, including from you.
 
Facts, being bits of information that have been proven to exist.  Objective measures have a tendency to be facts for a particular sample set.  Honestly, I am not entirely convinced the opinions of three people is enough of a sample size to deduce a solid conclusion, but the existence for a specific conclusion can be noted.
 
If you remember WAY back in this thread, baka made some OBJECTIVE observations on the driver assembly of the 940 and 840, and pointed out (while providing images) many similarities between the driver structures.  He also noted that the enclosures behind the drivers seemed to be packed inconsistently.  Is it unreasonable to assume that this inconsistency could lead to some acoustical impacts?
 
Baka also inferred the possibility (and I tread carefully here, Baka only pointed it out as a possibility and not an errorhoneous conclusion) that maybe Shure utilizes a similar technique as Grado, where the same drivers are used between the models, but the ones that measure better (first chance at potential variation in end result sonics) are put into the better model and then voiced or tuned different (another chance for variation).
 
Between the inconsistent enclosure and the possibility of re-tuning drivers that already measure with some variation is it unreasonable to think all these (at times massive) differences of opinion are a result of an actual quality control problem? That models that are being released ARE indeed inconsistent and have variation that is large enough for our ears to indeed detect? Have these problems been noted in Grados lines?
 
There was also that large recall and push back release date for the 940. Did some of the "old" 940s hit the market?
 
This is ALL A MENTION OF POSSIBILITY.  I am not saying anything indefinitely, just giving a simple underhanded toss to a possible reason as to why opinions vary so much on this particular headphone.
 
The headphone could even be really picky with sources and amps, this hasn't hardly been addressed.
 
Accuse me of beating the dead horse, but there are just WAY too many variables to make a lot of blanket statements.
 
Oldshoe99, if you could share your gear with us it might HELP US to understand the root of your subjective experience with the HD800 and SRH940 and compare it to others.  Is this not the type of information that could prove helpful?  Or am I not worth your time because I ask questions and don't provide facts?

Fair enough! I read the Amazon review, and I checked it out according to the descriptions there. I agreed with the Amazon reviewer. But then I came here and it was like Alice In Wonderland. It makes me wonder what people here are using for ears. So you don't have to believe me, but I at least did what the reviewer suggested, which the skeptics here are unwilling to do. My very best advice is this: Read the Amazon review, and check out the 940 yourself. If you generally like the type of signature it and the HD800 have in common, then you will probably like it. But if you don't like that type of signature which many here don't, then you will probably not like it. My only contention is that it sounds very much like the HD800. I don't contend that it sounds "good", or "flat" or anything else.

 

[oldshoe99]

 
oldshoe99 if I buy the SRH-940 I'll demo it in-store first against the T5p and let you know the differences.
 
 
 

Wow! I can't even imagine a store like that. In Cleveland, or most parts of L.A., the best we have is the Apple store.

 

[electropop]

I don't find it completely justified that so many oldshoe's comments were erased. Can't recall everything, but with same reasoning many other's, including mine, should've been as well. 
 
I agree with R-audiohead about his objectivity though. Claiming his views as facts is lacking the option to be publicly/empirically evaluated/criticized. There is so little fact here that passes said conditions, even measurements. 
 
What tipped people off, I guess, was this slight form of elitism. Not that no one else is guilty of it here 

 

[oldshoe99]

But I thought you said you had/owned an HD800? Upstream rig please?

I have a 800 from more than a year ago, when something like the 940 was unheard of. Amp is Headroom.

 

[baka1969]

Oldshoe99, I ask that YOU help the head-fi community.
 
Please present your testing gear and the tracks you chose to utilize for your conclusions. It would give people a chance to create some sort of reference and maybe put ourselves in a similar experience to better understand your specific subjective experience in your comparison.
 
I am not seeing many facts period, including from you.
 
Facts, being bits of information that have been proven to exist.  Objective measures have a tendency to be facts for a particular sample set.  Honestly, I am not entirely convinced the opinions of three people is enough of a sample size to deduce a solid conclusion, but the existence for a specific conclusion can be noted.
 
If you remember WAY back in this thread, baka made some OBJECTIVE observations on the driver assembly of the 940 and 840, and pointed out (while providing images) many similarities between the driver structures.  He also noted that the enclosures behind the drivers seemed to be packed inconsistently.  Is it unreasonable to assume that this inconsistency could lead to some acoustical impacts?
 
Baka also inferred the possibility (and I tread carefully here, Baka only pointed it out as a possibility and not an errorhoneous conclusion) that maybe Shure utilizes a similar technique as Grado, where the same drivers are used between the models, but the ones that measure better (first chance at potential variation in end result sonics) are put into the better model and then voiced or tuned different (another chance for variation).
 
Between the inconsistent enclosure and the possibility of re-tuning drivers that already measure with some variation is it unreasonable to think all these (at times massive) differences of opinion are a result of an actual quality control problem? That models that are being released ARE indeed inconsistent and have variation that is large enough for our ears to indeed detect? Have these problems been noted in Grados lines?
 
There was also that large recall and push back release date for the 940. Did some of the "old" 940s hit the market?
 
This is ALL A MENTION OF POSSIBILITY.  I am not saying anything indefinitely, just giving a simple underhanded toss to a possible reason as to why opinions vary so much on this particular headphone.
 
The headphone could even be really picky with sources and amps, this hasn't hardly been addressed.
 
Accuse me of beating the dead horse, but there are just WAY too many variables to make a lot of blanket statements.
 
Oldshoe99, if you could share your gear with us it might HELP US to understand the root of your subjective experience with the HD800 and SRH940 and compare it to others.  Is this not the type of information that could prove helpful?  Or am I not worth your time because I ask questions and don't provide facts?

I just wanted to point out some of my observations. I posted the pictures to not only show what I saw but to let the community help draw from that and get other viewpoints to try and reach an understanding as to why the 840 and 940 sound like they do.

 

[kiteki]

 
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Heya,
 
Where are you located? We could perhaps arrange you to borrow mine for a while if you're in the States.
 
Very best,
 

 
Thanks for your offer, very nice of you , but I'm in Melbourne, Australia, and there's a store here where I can demo the SRH-940 (and many other headphones) www.addictedtoaudio.com.au
 
 
@oldshoe99 - Lol, yes I'm lucky to have this store, I was in Cleveland, OH last year actually, it was kinda interesting.
 

 

[R-Audiohead]

And that stuff is useful and much appreciated by at least me, and I am sure the same is true for most of the community!
 
Afterall, it is YOUR headphone and it was generous of you to open it up for us.
 
EDIT - Clarifying this was @baka