swanhnster7
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You'll be fine dude, its your phones.
You'll be fine dude, its your phones.
These are probably some of the best BT headphones out there bar none.
But at their price they are truly a joke. Sennheiser knows they could charge this much when the field was small. But now with all the other companies coming out with comparable BT headsets, both large and small companies, they are in for a rude awakening.
I'm not saying they have to be $50 like all those cheap A**&&zon knockoffs. But the price is laughable. It is worth maybe $300, which is expensive but a reasonable figure if you think about competing against all the wired. Basically lets be generous and assume you add a 30% premium for BT (which is really high, but for arguments sake). Wired phones at this caliber would be $200 (thinksound on1, RBH, ATH, Sony, Bose, list goes on etc; there are many lists out there on this forum and the web). So again generously these should be well under $300.
I congratulate Sennheiser for making a top of the line model against which every company competes - and I welcome their fall from grace when they realize they were fleecing us just for the privilege of being early adopters, and can't wait til they discount the M2 wireless *heavily* in order to really prove their value (since value is not just equal to "the best" but a combination/algorithm of variables).
You have an amazing capacity to both troll-ishly insult me while not reading my post. Because otherwise you'd never say anything as dumb as this: "So what you're saying is they should cost the same or less the non-Bluetooth model".
Read again what I said and get back to me:
Basically lets be generous and assume you add a 30% premium for BT
I got mine brand new from Amazon for $359 a few months ago, I feel like I stole them
That being said, I bought the rev. 1's for $499 and had they not had BT issues, I still thought they were worth it.
You have an amazing capacity to both troll-ishly insult me while not reading my post. Because otherwise you'd never say anything as dumb as this: "So what you're saying is they should cost the same or less the non-Bluetooth model".
Read again what I said and get back to me:
Basically lets be generous and assume you add a 30% premium for BT
There's like a 200% premium on Beats headphones, so what's your point? With Sennheiser you know what you're getting, and it's not a freaking fashion statement..
Two things.
1) This is more than BT. Remember they're adding the receiver, DAC/amp, battery, microphone, and media controls.
2) I did read that, but also that you think it should be under $300. Therefore, according do you, adding a 30% premium to a $300 headphone means it should cost less than $300.
You're also ignoring the fact that you pointlessly whined about how these sound compared to wired headphones, proving a complete and total lack of awareness of a) what these are competing with and b) why there's sound quality degradation with these compared to wired headphones.
So I already read it, disregarded it for being pointless, and addressed the slew of other things you brought up, which you chose to completely ignore in your reply to me.
That was fun, take care and byebye. Not gonna bother arguing with ya any more.
Now, I AGREE with you that there is adding a lot for the wireless version (BT, DAC, etc). I suggest this addition should be 30%, no more. Again, other companies have managed to make the jump to wireless without a 30% premium, but lets play along and assume fanboys will pay for the Sennheiser name things they won't pay for other companies.
Where'd you get 30% from?
The big point that almost every M2W detractor misses is that there isn't a whole lot/anything on the market from "other companies" that is a) wireless, b) noise cancelling, c) has the least amount of variance between wired/wireless/ANC modes. There's more to it than wireless/not wireless.
For some reason, people want to use the headset as a professional recording device, and the ANC in lieu of earplugs - it falls short there. I also think those are absolutely ludicrous requests, particularly the recording bit. But if those are the complaints, then I think that's a sign the headset nailed the fundamentals.
Sure, there may be a set that does any individual thing better than the M2W - but there aren't many/any that do all of them. The counterargument to that is "well, I don't want those features" - sucks for you. Not the point.
You're still missing my point:
for a $300 wired headphone, this one barely competes with what I detailed above (ATH, Sony, RBH, Thinksoud ON1, etc) which start lower - say $200-$300. Hence I start with the thought that these should be $250ish, max, as wired.
Now, I AGREE with you that there is adding a lot for the wireless version (BT, DAC, etc). I suggest this addition should be 30%, no more. Again, other companies have managed to make the jump to wireless without a 30% premium, but lets play along and assume fanboys will pay for the Sennheiser name things they won't pay for other companies.
So, lets assume $250 * 1.3 = $325 maximum.. Not $399. Thats all I'm saying. Ciao, regazza.