Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers

[Overwerk]

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Is it possible the inability to distinguish between tubes is because of a weak link in your audio chain? That's to say, one of your components is hindering the tube's ability to shine. Although perhaps this was already considered...

well i am using sawstudio asio out on win7, i can go Minimum Latency(lowest), 64 samples(lowest) +out preload buffer 1(lowest again, impossible on my gaming laptop about 1k bucks, which can only go 4 buffer and 2k sample, with standard latency) on the vlink 192 driver for CD quality music（16 bit 44.1khz) , and only one step down on both setting for 192khz 24 bit music. For the Schiit modi, I can go minimum latency with one step down too, but with wasapi Event, since it doesn't support asio natively. It probably does using foobar, but with foobar wasapi is superior to its asio, 
 
like mentioned, PC goes out to vlink 192 with a 30 dollar cable, then through a 30 dollar optical cable to the old Bifrost, through PYST rca cables to Lyr, supported by some 30 dollar Dayton audio cones. 
tubes you already know i bought a ton of select ones 
 
only thing I can think of would be power supply. some people rank it second importance while tubes being 4th..oh, and I have stock cables on all my cans..except x1, which is not amp savvy

 

[billerb1]

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Screw what tube sounds the best in the Lyr.  What tube looks the best in the Lyr ??  Isn't that the real question ???

 
Not in my opinion.
 
 
 
LOL.  I really didn't expect an answer.

 

[Overwerk]

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[Overwerk]

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LOL

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[nelamvr6]

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well i am using sawstudio on win7, i can go 64 samples(lowest) on the vlink 192 driver+out preload buffer 1(lowest again, impossible on my gaming laptop about 1k bucks, which can only go 4 buffer and 2k sample) for CD quality music, and only one step down on both setting for 192khz 24 bit music.
 
like mentioned, PC goes out to vlink 192 with a 30 dollar cable, then through a 30 dollar optical cable to the old Bifrost, through PYST rca cables to Lyr, supported by some 30 dollar Dayton audio cones. 
tubes you already know i bought a ton of select ones 
 
only thing I can think of would be power supply. some people rank it second importance while tubes being 4th..oh, and I have stock cables on all my cans..except x1, which is not amp savvy

 
 
And you say you don't hear much of a difference with the stock tubes and any others?
 
Forgive me, I haven't been following these threads as closely lately as I once did, what tubes have you tried?

 

[ckc527]

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well i am using sawstudio on win7, i can go 64 samples(lowest) on the vlink 192 driver+out preload buffer 1(lowest again, impossible on my gaming laptop about 1k bucks, which can only go 4 buffer and 2k sample) for CD quality music, and only one step down on both setting for 192khz 24 bit music.
 
like mentioned, PC goes out to vlink 192 with a 30 dollar cable, then through a 30 dollar optical cable to the old Bifrost, through PYST rca cables to Lyr, supported by some 30 dollar Dayton audio cones. 
tubes you already know i bought a ton of select ones 
 
only thing I can think of would be power supply. some people rank it second importance while tubes being 4th..oh, and I have stock cables on all my cans..except x1, which is not amp savvy

 
which cans do you have?
 
ckc

 

[Overwerk]

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And you say you don't hear much of a difference with the stock tubes and any others?
 
Forgive me, I haven't been following these threads as closely lately as I once did, what tubes have you tried?

telefunkens and cryo telefunkens, sylvanias, gold lions and cryo gold lions, brimars, voshkods(1965), orange globes(tektronic), bugle boy(D getters), matsu****a/national e88cc+pcc88, tunsgram pcc88, both stock tubes, mullard e88ccs, etc

 

[Overwerk]

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which cans do you have?
 
ckc

used to have x1, he500, dt880 600 ohm(the latter two used with jj e88cc)
 
owns hd600 650, k702, k601, ad900, etc

 

[Rudiger]

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Curious about opinions here on new production tubes. My pair of JJ E88CCs are simply outstanding tubes and quite possibly my best. They have clarity and detail with just a touch of a silky character so that there is no grain or sibilance. I can't stand tubes that veil details and I think it makes for a very fatiguing listening experience when you are struggling to hear what you expect from the music. I gather these tubes are designed and sounded to be this way and they are very good and are in my top 3 among some very well regarded tubes.
 
Has anyone tried these or their gold pinned counterparts? There is also the Genalex E88CC which seems to be a modern 6N23P from the pictures I have seen. I'm pretty curious about those as well.

Very interesting. How does they sound compared to the stock 6BZ7 ? (I really don't like them). And Matsush!ta/national  ?

 

[nelamvr6]

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telefunkens and cryo telefunkens, sylvanias, gold lions and cryo gold lions, brimars, voshkods(1965), orange globes(tektronic), bugle boy(D getters), matsu****a/national e88cc+pcc88, tunsgram pcc88, both stock tubes, mullard e88ccs, etc

 
 
I'm afraid I don't have any ideas.  I hear huge differences between the stock tubes and the Orange Globes and Bugle Boys.   I haven't heard the others in your list, so I can't comment.
 
Did you ensure the tubes were burned in in all cases?

 

[Overwerk]

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I'm afraid I don't have any ideas.  I hear huge differences between the stock tubes and the Orange Globes and Bugle Boys.   I haven't heard the others in your list, so I can't comment.
 
Did you ensure the tubes were burned in in all cases?

I don't know much about the standards of burn in. 

 

[Sanlitun]

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Very interesting. How does they sound compared to the stock 6BZ7 ? (I really don't like them). And Matsush!ta/national  ?

 
Much better for me than both. In comparison the Matsush!ta sound fat and exaggerated and have a slight opacity. The set of JJs I have are just crystal clear and really exceptional. When I first got the Matsu's I thought they were great tubes and they are good but they are not as refined. The JJs have amazing clarity, refinement and PRAT and I am pretty happy with them, so much so I haven't rolled in a while now.
 
Last weekend we had a big shootout with all my tube sets and also an Asgard 2 as a point of comparison and the results really helped me shape what sort of sound I want and get some realistic expectations of how to achieve it. I was somewhat surprised by the tubes that ended up on top, and very few of them were the expected big name types.
 
I think Schiit just sends out those GE 6BZ7 as they are easy for them to get and they sound like everyone thinks tubes should sound. 

 

[jmsaxon69]

Sitting here waiting for FedEx to bring me my Lyr!  Torture...

 

[NightFlight]

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The 1975 grey voskhods arrived. I have to say I am not disappointed by all the raving that bumped up my expectations. 
 
Will report later with critical impression.

 
Well, rb2013 was doing most of the hype. To be completely fair, you have to take into account the differences in the chain. He'd a lot invested in his system in front of the Lyr. I believe HD800's too. Lyr + tube + headphone is the most basic match we can hope to advise in this forum. Then there is the the huge arena of expectation. One mans diamond is another mans turd and ... vice versa.

 
Personally I found the 83's I have to be very oddly coloured. They just rub me the wrong way.  But he also described the 80s as 'pedestrian'. So I'm looking for some 75's or older. If you would pass them my way to have a try at them, I would appreciate.

 

[nelamvr6]

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I don't know much about the standards of burn in. 

 
 
I would wait at least 20 hours before deciding on a tube, and sometimes tubes need as much as 50-100 hours to fully open up.
 
But at the very least, 20 hours.  That's playing time, not just turned on, with a load.  You can use any old pair of headphones, and the volume doesn't have to be loud.