[rb2013]

 
BTW- I love that picture.......LOL, it describes how our wallets feel when they meet tube rolling to a T!

Mine is like a charcoal briquette 

- I've  been rolling Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold/Oil caps in my DAC and Amps as well - those suckers are incredible but don't come cheap (but a least 30% cheaper thanks to the strong dollar - they're made in Germany).

 
 
I have a pair burning in for the Lyr mods - some .33uf's to replace those $6 red box Wima's.  Talk about burnin  - these German caps need 500-600 hrs.
 

 

[sfo1972]

 

 
BTW- I love that picture.......LOL, it describes how our wallets feel when they meet tube rolling to a T!

Mine is like a charcoal briquette 

- I've  been rolling Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold/Oil caps in my DAC and Amps as well - those suckers are incredible but don't come cheap (but a least 30% cheaper thanks to the strong dollar - they're made in Germany).

 
 
I have a pair burning in for the Lyr mods - some .33uf's to replace those $6 red box Wima's.  Talk about burnin  - these German caps need 500-600 hrs.
 

Lol....Mine is not quite there yet rb2013, but its on its way there.
 
Sorry for the dumb question but whats the benefit of these upgraded caps? I have read on multiple boards and on some of your posts many upgrades for these caps and have always wondered about the sonic benefit?
 
Also, is that your new Lyr that you are modding?

 

[rb2013]

 
Lol....Mine is not quite there yet rb2013, but its on its way there.
 
Sorry for the dumb question but whats the benefit of these upgraded caps? I have read on multiple boards and on some of your posts many upgrades for these caps and have always wondered about the sonic benefit?
 
Also, is that your new Lyr that you are modding?

I've been looking for a Lyr 2 used at a good price to do the mods on.
 
Well as far as caps go - it depends on the location and implementation.  There are film caps and electrolytic caps - usually the film caps will make the biggest difference.  But even the 'lytics can - as my DAC mod project showed me.  The 'Lytics are the round black cans. The biggest are to feed power to the Mosfets - the smaller are likely PS filtering.  Those small filter caps can have a SQ impact.  I'll likely replace those with either Pannie FCs, Nichicon Muse KZ or Silmic IIs.  they are cheap enough to try the different top types and if they'll fit.
 
Talk about tube shootouts - here is a cap shootout!
It explains what each cap sounds like in a general sense.
http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html
Notice the Wima MKP vs the Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold/Oil
 
CAUTION: LETHAL VOLTAGES!  You should never mess with any kind of a DIY mod unless you are highly skilled and knowledgeable.  Capacitors can hold a lethal charge long after they are unplugged from the wall and need to be safely discharged.  You can always buy the parts and have a qualified tech do the work - like Sonic Craft.

 

[stjj89]

Anyone try the Cavalli Liquid Glass?

https://www.cavalliaudio.com/index.php?p=product_details&pId=1

Looks to me like it could be a step up from the Lyr?

 

[MWSVette]

  Anyone try the Cavalli Liquid Glass?

https://www.cavalliaudio.com/index.php?p=product_details&pId=1

Looks to me like it could be a step up from the Lyr?

For $2950.00 it needs to be a giant step up...

 

[crixnet]

  For $2950.00 it needs to be a giant step up...

+1
 
A good chunk over 550% in cost, step up.

 

[rb2013]

  Anyone try the Cavalli Liquid Glass?

https://www.cavalliaudio.com/index.php?p=product_details&pId=1

Looks to me like it could be a step up from the Lyr?

A tube rollers dream!  I have always admired their stuff and almost bought a Liquid Fire before the Lyr.  I hear the Liquid Gold is better.

  List of Tubes That Should Work:

Noval​	Octal​
12AU7	6SN7
ECC82	12SN7
5963	VT231
6680	CV1986
5814	CV1988
12AT7	B65
ECC81	B63
6DJ8	ECC32
ECC88	CV181
6922
ECC88
8416
6H30
6189
6N1PEB
6H23EB
7730
ECC802
6CG7
12BH7
6FQ7
6GU7

 

 

[stjj89]

 
A tube rollers dream!  I have always admired their stuff and almost bought a Liquid Fire before the Lyr.  I hear the Liquid Gold is better.

 
Ooo, how did you find it? Looks like the Liquid Fire would have been a different beast from the Liquid Gold since you could tube roll with the former. 

 

[MWSVette]

 
A tube rollers dream!  I have always admired their stuff and almost bought a Liquid Fire before the Lyr.  I hear the Liquid Gold is better.

Bob, any idea what allows the amp to handle such a variety of tubes with such varying voltages?

 

[Exacoustatowner]

I am afraid to hear their stuff!

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Ooo, how did you find it? Looks like the Liquid Fire would have been a different beast from the Liquid Gold since you could tube roll with the former. 
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[rb2013]

   
Ooo, how did you find it? Looks like the Liquid Fire would have been a different beast from the Liquid Gold since you could tube roll with the former. 

They still make the Liquid Fire - but it's called the Liquid Crimson.  Uses only 1 6922.  The Liquid Fire used four.  I'm wondering if they changed it to just a tube buffer.
 
Yes they are different - there is a Liquid Gold Bal that's all SS and $3950

 

[rb2013]

 
Bob, any idea what allows the amp to handle such a variety of tubes with such varying voltages?

It looks to have an adaptive tube biasing arrangement.  As well as an auto-detect to determine if 6.3V or 12.6V tubes being used.  Very smart protection design. 
She's a beauty!

 

[rb2013]

If a Liquid Fire came up for sale cheap - I'd buy if for no other reason then to compare to a modded Lyr 2.  The good part about these amps - the beloved tube collection would be put to good use.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/577294/review-cavalli-audio-liquid-fire-headphone-amplifier

 My enthrallment with the Liquid Fire is a bit ironic, actually. While I do maintain an open mind before listening to anything, in the back of my mind getting the Liquid Fire was mostly for the purpose of ruling it out. Yet, it came out on top, compared to the amps tested thus far: Woo Audio’s WA22 and Red Wine Audio Audez’e Edition.

 

[Exacoustatowner]

I've a friend who does this, But mostly with old tube amps she and her husband repair. I'd be really curious to hear a modified vs. un modified Lyr!
 
Quote:

 
Mine is like a charcoal briquette 

- I've  been rolling Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold/Oil caps in my DAC and Amps as well - those suckers are incredible but don't come cheap (but a least 30% cheaper thanks to the strong dollar - they're made in Germany).

 
 
I have a pair burning in for the Lyr mods - some .33uf's to replace those $6 red box Wima's.  Talk about burnin  - these German caps need 500-600 hrs.
 

 

[rb2013]

I've a friend who does this, But mostly with old tube amps she and her husband repair. I'd be really curious to hear a modified vs. un modified Lyr!

The .33 uf Mundorf S S/G/O caps are $100 - the rest of the upgraded 'lytics maybe $50 - so $150 plus a silver fuse = total $200 for what may be a nice improvement.  Maybe an hours soldering.
 
Once my Grand Lyr Tube Shootout review is posted - I'll get a separate Lyr Mod thread started.  I have a pretty extensive list of mods done by Empirical Audio's Steve Nugent:

I am a manufacturer and I usually don't do headphones, but I have been invited to a local high-school to exhibit for their science fair.  I am excited to teach a little here and encourage more students to pursue science and math careers. I plan to demonstrate the differences in SQ between MP3, .wav, ALAC and AIFF files.  Also highlight differences between digital and analog out on an iPod, which will be my source.  I will reclock it of course in order to reduce jitter to the point where I can hopefully hear these differences using my DAC. 
 
Anyway, I purchased a Lyr Headamp based on some of the reviews I've read here and the fact that I will likely need the power for HE-400's.  Really nice looks and build quality.
 
After a day or two of audition, I am impressed with the Lyr for the price-point, but being a long-time modder (I dont mod anymore), I wanted to see if I could make it a world-class contender using some of the left-over parts from my modding days.  I thought I would share some of the mods with the world because they do add more life, extension and better top to bottom dynamics to this little headamp.  These are not too difficult for the skilled DIYer.

 
PS My experience with my DAC Mod Project on the Lite DAC60, has blown me away.  I tried three different Mundorf Supreme Caps in the coupling section - each step a significant level of improvement.  And the PS and PS filtering upgrades made major improvements as well - this baby is sounding so sweet!  I'm anxious to see what the Lyr can be upgraded to for little money.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/740362/lite-dac60-pcm1704-r2r-tubed-dac-mod-project