[bcowen]

The 70's Tesla E88CC were the brightest tubes I ever heard, fully burned in. Sold those years ago. 1 of the worst tubes I ever heard. Only the Mullard Mitcham E188CC with the that were either 1984 or 1974. Based on the sound of the tubes I'd venture they were 84.

Have you ever tried a Philips ECG 6922? If not, I'll send you a couple and they'll bump the Tesla's up in the ratings by at least an order of magnitude. Add shrill, screechy, and instantly fatiguing to 'bright' and that will at least scratch the surface of their better qualities.

Good to see 'ya, TK!!

 

[TK16]

Have you ever tried a Philips ECG 6922? If not, I'll send you a couple and they'll bump the Tesla's up in the ratings by at least an order of magnitude. Add shrill, screechy, and instantly fatiguing to 'bright' and that will at least scratch the surface of their better qualities.

Good to see 'ya, TK!!

I`d actually pay you NOT to send me those tubes. Is $99 enough or do I have to go in the 3 figures or higher?

 

[bcowen]

I`d actually pay you NOT to send me those tubes. Is $99 enough or do I have to go in the 3 figures or higher?

$99 is enough, but only because I like you. I'll PM you my Paypal address.

 

[TK16]

Bright on hd800s is something no one should want ( was it the military ones? with the swords?)
Any non-crazy suggestions?

I invite you to go back about 2 years in this thread and go forward from there, when the talk of ECC82, 7316, 6201 for adapters tubes shifted to those. I have a bunch of 50's mostly holy grails left ECC88 variants. And the best 6DJ8 I have are mostly inferior to the very best 6201, ECC82, 7316 sonic wise for my equipment with my gear, ears and tilt towards warmish tubes.

 

[Zurv]

Thanks for the advice.
I got some Matsushita / National PCC88 / 7DJ8 and like them... I think my big problem is fighting with the HD800s. I'm going to trial some new headphones and then revisit rolling in the mj2 after that.

.... ugh.. i have a box of tubes now. the mj2 isn't bad with just two tubes. The freya+ with 4, that is no fun. (that said, i'm mainly playing with the gain side.) I think i found a nice mix with late 60s Sylvania in the left and CBS Hytron 5692 / 6SN7 in the right (gain.)

The wife is getting really mad at me. (I'm also replacing all the windows in my apt this year which is going to be costly .. and getting a bunch of the new nvidia cards too in the fall... So i need to stop spending so much on tubes.)

edit, hmm... when did i order these....some tungseam pcc88 just showed up. Worth testing?

 

[TK16]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-x-PCC88-...b-7db2-4db4-8345-83250dba98ce&redirect=mobile
PCC88 PW Hamburg. Sellers tubes do not test well in my experience but worth a shot dirt cheap. Very good tubes.

 

[Zurv]

I hate you

Ordered....

 

[TK16]

I hate you

Ordered....

Sorry was supposed to be a joke, glad you didn't order that.

 

[Zurv]

I give up (on the HD800s) - i'll use them for gaming or something.
I ordered the Meze Empyrean. Anyone using the Empyrean and found tubes that were a nice match for it?
(something that brings more micro detail? that seems what the HPs need (at least from the reviews i read.)

 

[gimmeheadroom]

I guess the Empyrean is plenty warm enough without tubes. And micro detail and tubes are kinda opposites in most cases.

 

[Wes S]

I guess the Empyrean is plenty warm enough without tubes. And micro detail and tubes are kinda opposites in most cases.

Actually tubes are plenty cable of micro detail. It is usually the quality of the amp that mask detail, not the tubes.

 

[gimmeheadroom]

Actually tubes are plenty cable of micro detail. It is usually the quality of the amp that mask detail, not the tubes.

I meant relative to solid state I would not expect the same potential for micro detail. Certainly I saw amazing improvement in some tubes the guys recommended for my Lyr 2.

Are you saying tubes can rival solid state for detail with good amps? If so, how much amp do you need to buy for this to be noticable?

 

[Wes S]

I meant relative to solid state I would not expect the same potential for micro detail. Certainly I saw amazing improvement in some tubes the guys recommended for my Lyr 2.

Are you saying tubes can rival solid state for detail with good amps? If so, how much amp do you need to buy for this to be noticable?

Yes I am. I would say it is hard to put a number on it, but I know for a fact that the ZMF Pendant, Glenn OTL, and ALO Audio Studio Six tube amps to name a few, can hang with any solid state out there for micro detail.

 

[gimmeheadroom]

Yes I am. I would say it is hard to put a number on it, but I know for a fact that the ZMF Pendant, Glenn OTL, and ALO Audio Studio Six tube amps to name a few, can hang with any solid state out there for micro detail.

Thanks, this is good info. I have a WA2 on my short list but I really don't know what to expect over the Lyr 2 and Valhalla 2 I have now. No good source for the amps you mentioned over here, as far as I know.

 

[Guidostrunk]

My Liquid platinum beats my Gilmore lite MK2 in micro detail and everything else.

I meant relative to solid state I would not expect the same potential for micro detail. Certainly I saw amazing improvement in some tubes the guys recommended for my Lyr 2.

Are you saying tubes can rival solid state for detail with good amps? If so, how much amp do you need to buy for this to be noticable?