[dfkt]

 

[RAFA]

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How does cowon and the ES10 sound together?
 
ps: such a nice phot deserves to be twice in this thread
 

 

[TheRH]

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What player is that? The i9?

 

[dfkt]

It's the J3.

 

[dfkt]

 
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Multi-touch, colored and bigger screen, and line-out just to name a few.

 
Seems we're looking for very different things in a player, understandable that not one player fits all. I like looking under the hood of a device, I don't care much for eye candy and bling. Don't get me wrong, I like solid design, and I like the looks of the Nano - but looks aren't everything for me.
 
As I understand it, multi-touch is only used for turning the screen? Doesn't sound very useful to me. Tactile controls sound more reasonable and usable to me in a small player, especially one obviously made for physical activities, since it has a clip. A color screen sure is nice, for album art and video - unfortunately the new Nano doesn't support video playback. I guess some people do have a use for it for photos, but it's a bit small for that. All players with line-out I tried had either the same output quality as over their headphone-out, or even worse (Cowon X5 and Sony A845, to name a few). Amping a headphone-out, if necessary, is just fine, as I found out. Never found a line-out to sound obviously superior with a portable amp.

 
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Airwax, I think what DKFT means is that the sounds quality is superior to the Nana. Would you agree DKFT?

I was more thinking about 'real' features, where a Rockboxed player of course beats any other player by far - at least for my needs (which certainly aren't the needs of all the other people commenting on this new iPod). As for sound quality, all players sound basically the same anyways when played flat, without EQ or other sound enhancements, as my listening tests have told me. When it comes to EQing, it's a whole other story, of course.
 
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I'm obviously talking about features though. I don't know the about the sound quality of the new nano because I don't have it. Come to think of it feature-wise, the nano has the edge over the clip+.

Well, the Clip+ has a SDHC slot, lots of tactile buttons for easy control on the go, the best EQ on any portable player (with Rockbox), file/folder and tag browsing, standard MSC transfer mode, a standard USB port, Replaygain, FLAC/Vorbis/etc, and so on.
 
But yeah, as I already have said above, we're certainly looking for very different things in a player. I just wanted to say that - for me, and certainly others - the Nano sure doesn't have more or better features than the Clip+. But YMMV, of course.
 
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Apple haters are everywhere

I haven't seen any 'Apple haters' in this current discussion. It all sounded rather unbiased and factual so far.
 
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Clip+ with Rockbox has a great EQ and audio features the nano does not.

Seems it's worlds apart, what people are looking for in the iPod monoculture, and in an open Rockboxed player. There's probably not much common ground to discuss all this. Good thing there's a big enough demographic for both 'extremes' of the portable player spectrum, so everyone can be happy.
 

 

[grokit]

 
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The nano has EQ and other audio features also, they may not be the greatest but they have them, although sometimes useless. Besides, not a lot of people likes to tinker with the audio settings.

I am one of those people that doesn't use EQ at all, but Apple has finally improved it in the new iOS it so no more bass distortion at high volume, and no more complaining.

 

[Rockford]

 
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I thought about this, and the new nano seems to be a very good choice now comparing to the clip+. I don't like SQ of ipods though. But that line-out is so tempting.

 
This seems completely illogical and lacks any real thought.

 

[zero7525]

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I thought about this, and the new nano seems to be a very good choice now comparing to the clip+. I don't like SQ of ipods though. But that line-out is so tempting.

It's very weird how someone would waste their money on such a device, when you could get an ipod touch around the corner for a couple more bucks.
I'm not an apple fan myself, but I'm not trying to be biased against apple, but c'mon, you need to be smart with your money. I would either get the cheap (but quality) clip+, or jump up to the itouch; not some glorified copy of the clip+ with no physical buttons. I'm not going to tell you to buy this or that, this is just a suggestion. I just think that today's ipod nano is the worst price/performance ratio I have ever seen in a DAC (the old nano was way better; without too many gimmicks)

 

[grokit]

I like the fact that the jump from 8gb to 16gb of memory on the Nano is only $30, that's the best part of the deal on it IMO.

 

[faisal2003456]

How the hell is multi-touch on that tiny screen a feature? What is the point of putting a clip on it if you need to SEE the screen to use it? Why does it cost so much? The Nano doesn't touch the Clip+ Rockboxed in terms of features. It doesn't even have video playback anymore.

 

[rawrster]

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It's very weird how someone would waste their money on such a device, when you could get an ipod touch around the corner for a couple more bucks.
I'm not an apple fan myself, but I'm not trying to be biased against apple, but c'mon, you need to be smart with your money. I would either get the cheap (but quality) clip+, or jump up to the itouch; not some glorified copy of the clip+ with no physical buttons. I'm not going to tell you to buy this or that, this is just a suggestion. I just think that today's ipod nano is the worst price/performance ratio I have ever seen in a DAC (the old nano was way better; without too many gimmicks)

Well considering the fuze is a blatant copy of the ipod nano I don't really think that argument really works with sansa

 

[faisal2003456]

The new Fuze (with capacitive controls) is not really a copy of the Nano.

 

[Rockford]

If the fuze (v1/v2) is a copy of the nano (5th gen) consider the bar not raised but obliterated because the fuze is 10x the player the nano is when you take is features out of the box and rockbox into account.

 

[zero7525]

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If the fuze (not fuze+) is a copy of the nano consider the bar not raised but obliterated because the fuze is 10x the player the nano is when you take features and rockbox into account.

Not to mention how much money you have saved, with the fuze being super cheap and all.

 

[Rockford]

Yeah and the fact that you can spend the same or a little less and get an 8gb Fuze and a 32gb microsd.