ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |

Jun 30, 2016 at 10:53 AM Post #9,796 of 16,376
  Wow ... it's been busy here over the past week while I've been away at Glastonbury. 
 
As fantastic as that was, it was also nice to get back to the clean comfort of my train carriage this morning, with my DP-X1 and T5p to entertain me 
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Great to see the community of users growing.

 
I HATE YOU YOU WENT TO GLASTO GUIEWROIREGRJKGELRBNHFKESHFUIAB >_<
 
Ha ha, jokes, glad you enjoyed it, and kept the DP-X1/T5p safe!
 
Yeah this community is growing so fast, remember when it was so young? They grow up so fast... <3
 
Oh, totally not MY fault, I hardly type anything TRUTH... >_>
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 11:03 AM Post #9,798 of 16,376
   
 
Now that is a neat trick!!!
 
I also apologise for my small absence, lots of things going on irl...
 
I have spoken to my contacts within Onkyo regarding actual screen tap on/off, as well as lock screen widgets and/or music info on lockscreen. All has been passed on to the Onkyo DP-X1 development team.
 
No promises if anything will come from this, but I'll let you all know on any progress.

Thanks man, but I'm afraid like taptap and others this app also drains the battery even if the dx-1 is left o/n on stand alone. J ne comprend pas! Unless I was so tired/drunk last night
that I left android on!
 
Apols for the double post...

 
Jun 30, 2016 at 11:05 AM Post #9,799 of 16,376
  Hihi!~
 
I am facing a little issue now.
Sometimes my DP-X1 stops playing even though there are still songs in the Q.
It stops after a few songs, sometimes 2 songs , sometimes is ok(all songs in Q played)
Any idea what went wrong? Some settings?

 
 
Re-sync the entire library in the Onkyo DP-X1 Music App.
 
If it happens again, get another music app and try it. If it happens on the alternative app, possible faulty MicroSD card.
If not, contact Onkyo EU/UK/JP on their support forum and detail everything, including system information.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM Post #9,801 of 16,376
  Thanks man, but I'm afraid like taptap and others this app also drains the battery even if the dx-1 is left o/n on stand alone. J ne comprend pas! Unless I was so tired/drunk last night
that I left android on!
 
Apols for the double post...

 
No problem dude.
 
There could also be other factors, but I know the information regarding tapping the screen has been sent to Onkyo DP-X1 software team, so we shall see if anything comes from it that also doesn't jeopardise the battery.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 11:25 AM Post #9,802 of 16,376
In regards to battery, I think that when you leave the music paused that the amps (maybe DAC's too?) have a long sleep time-out, or no time-out (doubtful), until you go to homesceen with paused music or close the app.
That would suck battery instantly.
 
I cannot confirm this but when I have left my DP-X1 uncabled to a charging port, paused my music, left the screen on, make a cup of tea and get some snacks/food, and come back, battery drops by about 3% - 10% approximately (depends on what gain is used, and if ACG or unbalanced is active).
When I use my device but not charging it, with Wi-Fi off and screen off, and music paused, see a dropo of 1% to 3%.
So I think this is because the amps are supplied by internal clean battery power for a long time whilst app is active and music is paused.
 
Also, having Wi-Fi and screen on whilst the DP-X1 is not charging is a humongous NO NO. You can stream and tether the device, but at least turn the screen off.
If you are using locally stored music, turn the Wi-Fi off as much as you can.
 
I also advise to not add too many apps to the device, keep it as simple as possible, music orientated with some video apps like YouTube and BBC iPlayer, and universally turn off notifications on almost every app.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM Post #9,803 of 16,376
Sorry that I can't reply to all posts but a lot of Head-Fi'ers have posted awesome stuff; thanks guys!!! <3
 
Now, MOAR real life work (KMN :'( cry cry), then tasty chips and anime (Your Lie in April on Netflix UK, Japanese audio); mmmmmmmmmmm delicious food and piano themed show WEEEEEEeeeeee........
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 12:16 PM Post #9,804 of 16,376
I think a lot of Head-Fi'ers have replied back to you in my short absence.

First things first, this is just some extra info for everyone: flat frequency is NOT neutral. That is just a mathematical ideal. Though everyone has an idea of what neutral is, neutrality is usually very small increases in specific areas of a frequency range so that various sounds sound 'natural' to human ears. Etymotic and Phonak almost got that right with their earphones for example.
Musicality is different; this is where we humans prefer to hear something fun, in specific areas of a frequency range.
Though recorded music is one thing, it is near impossible to replicate it as neutral, so yes, one could try to playback the recording as recorded, but as neutral is different to everyone, flat-frequency is not the answer. Of course, many of us like to hear a recording the way we like to, and will get gear to do just that.

Therefore, to me I think the the DP-X1 is extremely neutral with small emphasis on coherency: speed of transients, a very small bump in mid-bass, ever so slightly upper-mids, and extended treble but not as sibilant as I expected.
This is my impression using the DP-X1 in high gain, ACG balanced mode, with my Audeze EL-8 Titanium headphones and DHC Molecule Elite 22 Silver (22AWG) 4-Wire balanced cable.
When I tested my Meze Headphones 99 Classics (normal gain, unbalanced mode) with stock cable, the DAP sounded different; warm, musical, a tad indistinct in bass yet still lovely. I attribute that to the DAP having little sonic colourisation.
Ditto same experiment (high gain, unbalanced) on my AKG K 712 with DHC Molecule Prototype 25AWG copper cable; heard some sibilant peaks, slightly spotlighted vocals/mid-range, and clear bass notes but not much oomph.
My Heir Audio 4.Ai IEM's (normal gain, ACG balanced) with DHC Molecule Symbiote Fusion 8-Wire balanced is very similar to the AKG K 712 but less soundstage, less coherency and more focus on individual instruments or sounds.
In many ways, the DP-X1 is not a 'warm' or 'tubey' DAP, which is why some users opted for the Astell and Kern or Questyle QP1R.

So, with that in mind, because of the neutralish sonic character of the DP-X1, it allows each of my headphones to display their own characters.
Thus, any headphone you plug in will sound great on this DAP, as the DAP does not colour the sonic picture too much or at all (in my opinion).
What the DAP does do is give excellent clarity, hardly any grain, amazing detail and texture, great soundstage in height and depth (though more width would have been nice), and is super fast on transients.

Regarding EQ, as @Laird
 has said in his post (here), one should never boost, just cut/attenuate. By boosting you massively reduce headroom and dynamics, but reducing frequencies, the dynamics are impacted upon less.
This is something I learned from when I studied Music Technology years ago and did PA work.
Having said that, I echo that the EQ on the DP-X1 may not scale well if boosting, it clips, but that is as far as I can comment upon as I do not use EQ on the DP-X1.

I think the DP-X1 is stellar and worth investing in, but only a demo of it can really tell you the truth.

If the DAP does not sound right to you, I strongly recommend Questyle QP1R, almost the opposite end of the DP-X1 yet still incredible for music! Just remember, you will lose out on the other benefits that the DP-X1 offers outside of sound quality.


EDIT:
Added some extra bits, specificaly the DP-X1's sonic capabilities.
do u recommend to use normal gain for heir 10.0?
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 12:19 PM Post #9,805 of 16,376
Regarding battery drain issue, if not already done so, please try.
1. airplane mode, switch off wifi and bluetooth.
2. turn off all notifications.
3. turn off auto sync inside the default music app under settings.
4. disable as many apps as you can which you don't use.
5. keep screen off if not necessary.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 1:26 PM Post #9,806 of 16,376
I'm currently looking into upgrading from using my galaxy note 4 for music (really terrible sound quality), and am intrigued by this one and the Pioneer XDP-100R. If I don't use balanced cables, is there much advantage to going with this more expensive option?

Also, without reading through all over 9,000 comments, has there been a definitive answer to whether alternate music apps on either of these DAPs use the ESS DAC(s)?

Thanks!
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 1:51 PM Post #9,807 of 16,376
Thanks, I hope the dp x1 already alone will go well with the grado sr225e, my concern is that you do not combine well because grado is a little cold and very open.


I had Not try to direct drive a Grado as the tube amp set up is a demo unit at local shop.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 1:54 PM Post #9,808 of 16,376
I'm currently looking into upgrading from using my galaxy note 4 for music (really terrible sound quality), and am intrigued by this one and the Pioneer XDP-100R. If I don't use balanced cables, is there much advantage to going with this more expensive option?

Also, without reading through all over 9,000 comments, has there been a definitive answer to whether alternate music apps on either of these DAPs use the ESS DAC(s)?

Thanks!


I will suggest go for dp-x1. The HK local shops sell more dp-x1 than xdp-100r.
 

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