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[addyg]

For Tidal on mine dp-x1, it is good SQ similar to CD.

I now have three players Music, Neutron (runs dac fix + 64bit turn on) and Poweramp (musicFX turn on), they are all good but with different sound signature.

 

[Whitigir]

I see, didnt know. Thanks for the clarification.

You can also try a very fun thing, don't use Hd800s, something easier to drive. Compare between ACG and BTL, the ACG should have more controls. I know many people wouldn't believe ACG has even more quality to it, but I heard the differences....however, it may get boring because it is all about details

 

[3ggerhappy]

 
I get the odd random stutter with my desktop Tidal over WiFi so isn't the odd stutter just the nature of streaming, or do you mean you get even more stutters with the Onkyo than you do normally with say a computer?

 
I get the random stutter while playing on the onkyo itself and these are on downloaded offline tracks, I am also trying to isolate when would the stutters start and noticed it would start when the screen turns off. Then I tried setting the display to turn off at 30 minutes no stutter on that thirty minutes.
 
My PC is connected to a speaker system Tidal thru wifi and no stutter, need to investigate further and try it directly with a head phone with the PC.  

 

[Sonic Defender]

For Tidal on mine dp-x1, it is good SQ similar to CD.

I now have three players Music, Neutron (runs dac fix + 64bit turn on) and Poweramp (musicFX turn on), they are all good but with different sound signature.

For Neutron, what is DAC Fix?

 

[MadDane]

Totally, and it is all about personal preferences, until now I still miss the "black background, more holographic and spherical soundstage with excellent trebles and clarity" from DP-X1. Hence, I am still here reading, and happy to see how Onkyo is treating it product, and customer . Also, I am not even a fan of Zx2, just because Zx2 is doing well for what I preferred, but I wanted more out of it, so I always try to find solutions to make it better.....but I really want a better device, to me Zx2 is not an end game

Fair enough.

 

[3ggerhappy]

You can also try a very fun thing, don't use Hd800s, something easier to drive. Compare between ACG and BTL, the ACG should have more controls. I know many people wouldn't believe ACG has even more quality to it, but I heard the differences....however, it may get boring because it is all about details

 


Indeed there are quality differences. I am only listening with the HD800S at home, but most of the time, on the go and at the office I am using my Aurisonics Harmony with the moon audio silver dragon balanced cable(18 Ohms and my usual volume range is at 110 to 120 on ACG, on vinyl rips with High Dynamic Range at 24/192 I need to raise it to 130).

My settings usually are:

For tracks that involves many instruments(rock, metal) and have fast beats - ACG Sharp and Narrow(my favorite band Nightwish, Paharoh sails to Orion dang beautiful)

Tracks from: Metallica, Dragonforce, Nightwish, Within Temptation are good in these settings to name a few.

For orchestra/classical(though many insturments involved), EDM(though high bpm), Reggae and Pop i use - ACG Sharp and Wide it feels more airy to me
For tracks in these criteria where i feel the instruments and vocals are pushed back or I feel its is sounding flat I switch to ACG Short and Wide

Favorite Classical Tracks for testing:

Stanley Black's- Limelight, The Magnificent Seven
Mantovani's-The Moulin Rouge, High Noon, The Big Country
Ronnie Aldrich - The Go between and the Godfather theme

The sound stage where superb.

Never have used the Short setting.

Dont know if these are anyones musical trip or taste, if anyone wants to experiment with me and find out if we have the same experience with these settings would be good to know.

 

[Whitigir]

You can also try a very fun thing, don't use Hd800s, something easier to drive. Compare between ACG and BTL, the ACG should have more controls. I know many people wouldn't believe ACG has even more quality to it, but I heard the differences....however, it may get boring because it is all about details

 


Indeed there are quality differences. I am only listening with the HD800S at home, but most of the time, on the go and at the office I am using my Aurisonics Harmony with the moon audio silver dragon balanced cable(18 Ohms and my usual volume range is at 110 to 120 on ACG, on vinyl rips with High Dynamic Range at 24/192 I need to raise it to 130).

My settings usually are:

For tracks that involves many instruments(rock, metal) and have fast beats - ACG Sharp and Narrow(my favorite band Nightwish, Paharoh sails to Orion dang beautiful)

Tracks from: Metallica, Dragonforce, Nightwish, Within Temptation are good in these settings to name a few.

For orchestra/classical(though many insturments involved), EDM(though high bpm), Reggae and Pop i use - ACG Sharp and Wide it feels more airy to me
For tracks in these criteria where i feel the instruments and vocals are pushed back or I feel its is sounding flat I switch to ACG Short and Wide

Favorite Classical Tracks for testing:

Stanley Black's- Limelight, The Magnificent Seven
Mantovani's-The Moulin Rouge, High Noon, The Big Country
Ronnie Aldrich - The Go between and the Godfather theme

The sound stage where superb.

Never have used the Short setting.

Dont know if these are anyones musical trip or taste, if anyone wants to experiment with me and find out if we have the same experience with these settings would be good to know.

Thank you, and I agree with everything that you said. Finally, someone else who can hear the differences and using the TRRS with good files. These changes affects sound, and ofcourse personal preferences . I also totally agreed that the holographic and spherical soundstage is something that is "uncommon" for devices at this price...I have yet to hear AK380 which is the most expensive. But I am quiet confidence that the soundstage on DP-X1 with the use of TRRS is a heavy contender toward any DAP, and given it price range....it is simply...uncommon....another unicorn at it price cost and performance beside the Mojo

 

[Zenifyx]

I totally get your point. I apologise if all I am doing is repeating hearsay. My suggestion is that I have read enough in here, of problems, that it seems that if streaming is my primary reason for buying the DP-X1, then I may be disappointed.

 
For greater clarity, the facts of the matter are that some people (at least 7) have tested out and reported issues, whilst some others have insisted that there are no issues.
These aren't overstatements, but cold hard facts.
 
Whilst it would be wrong to assume that your purchase of the player would not lead to a flawless experience with Tidal, it would also be wrong to assume otherwise, given the facts of the matter.
If you are patient, perhaps waiting for the upcoming MQA update for the player before leaping into a purchase might be a good choice.
Onkyo would probably have sorted out the issues by then, given the marketing of this player as a streaming capable device.

 

[Whitigir]

The more I follow the thread, the more I think the international version will be different. It totally seems that the Japan version is to test the water and get feedbacks from local enthusiasms ? Based on how fast Onkyo is rolling out updates from feedbacks.....even faster than "smartphone companies"....lol Samsung and Lg and Sony.....etc..

 

[Zenifyx]

 
I know, but they bothered to make the DP-X1 which makes us exactly their target customer so why not pay a little more attention? They have reps on salary anyway, they should at least check in here monthly if not once a week. I would never miss a community like this as head-fi is a sales driver, just look at all the ads on the site! Plus when you search for almost any headphone gear related stuff head-fi is right up there in the search results always so it is important and deserves to have a rep around. If you are going to sell in the market, you need to know the market. Look at the new headphones about to come out from Onkyo, imagine if they were even starting to promote here.

 
You must also consider that this player isn't officially available internationally as of yet and isn't due to be available till months later.
Their market focus right now is the domestic Japanese consumer market, whilst we are just consumers importing the product from Japan.

 

[Sonic Defender]

   
You must also consider that this player isn't officially available internationally as of yet and isn't due to be available till months later.
Their market focus right now is the domestic Japanese consumer market, whilst we are just consumers importing the product from Japan.

Good point, we may yet see a rep around here after the International release which would be nice for sure.

 

[Sonic Defender]

Okay, I created a poll for those to indicate if they have experienced any issues with Tidal and the DP-X1. If you have an opinion one way or the other PLEASE vote as it helps those who are trying to decide whether or not the DP-X1 is right for them when Tidal streaming is important to them.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/799485/poll-thread-tidal-streaming-and-onkyo-dp-x1

 

[davidmolliere]

  Okay, I created a poll for those to indicate if they have experienced any issues with Tidal and the DP-X1. If you have an opinion one way or the other PLEASE vote as it helps those who are trying to decide whether or not the DP-X1 is right for them when Tidal streaming is important to them.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/799485/poll-thread-tidal-streaming-and-onkyo-dp-x1

 
Thanks, great initiative, voted!

 

[Layman1]

  Okay, I created a poll for those to indicate if they have experienced any issues with Tidal and the DP-X1. If you have an opinion one way or the other PLEASE vote as it helps those who are trying to decide whether or not the DP-X1 is right for them when Tidal streaming is important to them.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/799485/poll-thread-tidal-streaming-and-onkyo-dp-x1

There's a truism in marketing that people who are dissatisfied will readily complain, whilst those who are happy and experiencing no issues rarely speak up
With this in mind, even when the poll results come in, I'd imagine it still won't be possible to authoratatively state a conclusion one way or another.
Mind you, I'm as interested as anyone to see the results

 
Seems to me there are probably 3 possible logical scenarios here:
 
1) some people are right and others are just plain wrong or delusional (highly unlikely, even though I can do delusion with the best of them lol)
 
2) The non-physical issues are in fact due to some possibly complex set of alternative factors, such as soft/firmware versions, apps used, settings applied and so forth.
 
3) One or more faulty batches, possibly one batch with soft/firmware issues or electronics issues (skipping, distortion etc), and another with mechanical ones (earphone socket issues).
 
As ever, more info would help. For example, how many reporting soft/firmware kinds of issues also have issues with the build of the earphone sockets (and vice versa)?
I know there's been some attempts to determine whether alternative factors such as apps used, player settings and so forth could be causing it, but they seem a bit haphazard and usually derailed sooner or later lol.

 

[Sonic Defender]

 
There's a truism in marketing that people who are dissatisfied will readily complain, whilst those who are happy and experiencing no issues rarely speak up
With this in mind, even when the poll results come in, I'd imagine it still won't be possible to authoratatively state a conclusion one way or another.
Mind you, I'm as interested as anyone to see the results

 
Seems to me there are probably 3 possible logical scenarios here:
 
1) some people are right and others are just plain wrong or delusional (highly unlikely, even though I can do delusion with the best of them lol)
 
2) The non-physical issues are in fact due to some possibly complex set of alternative factors, such as soft/firmware versions, apps used, settings applied and so forth.
 
3) One or more faulty batches, possibly one batch with soft/firmware issues or electronics issues (skipping, distortion etc), and another with mechanical ones (earphone socket issues).
 
As ever, more info would help. For example, how many reporting soft/firmware kinds of issues also have issues with the build of the earphone sockets (and vice versa)?
I know there's been some attempts to determine whether alternative factors such as apps used, player settings and so forth could be causing it, but they seem a bit haphazard and usually derailed sooner or later lol.

I tried to create some basic questions as it is too hard to capture great deals of detail as you have yourself pointed out there are various possibilities. I did create an answer that can be selected if somebody has experienced issues with Tidal, but they can't be certain it is the DP-X1. I have also created questions that allow for capturing how frequent the issues may be. For instance, if somebody experienced the issue only a few times, but they reported it here in the thread at the time, their post may read like it was always happening to them. As well some people posted that they had issues and we never heard from them again so what does a reader make of those error reports? What if the user was wrong, what if the problem never happened again? And yes, typically people complain more than the compliment, but I think this is different so hopefully we get as many current owners as possible. Past owners as well are important, but I worry about somebody who really had the DAP for a short time and may not have really tested it well. That said, we need to capture all votes so hopefully everybody does vote.