Obscure Chinese DAPs
Dec 5, 2016 at 9:57 PM Post #1,741 of 8,127
Unless your smartphone is many years ago or something, it probably is just as good as any budget DAP. 
You aren't going to hear a significant improvement until you spend upwards of $70, so like an Xduoo X3 or something.

So.. Are you recommend me to use the smartphone that i already have?

If you want small on a budget then S5 or X2 are great choices (I have both). Otherwise as the others said, more cash, X3 , FiiO etc.

Yes, i don't want spend to much money.. I feel like its not so important but this audio-world is very addictive haha
Btw, do you prefer the S5 or X2?
 
Dec 5, 2016 at 10:26 PM Post #1,744 of 8,127
Ok then, i think i'll just play my music from my smartphone until i change my mind to spend more money for this audiothings haha!
Thanks for your advice mate!
Have a nice day :)


No problem but i only recommend to use your phone because i don't want you to spend all your money on a budget DAP for it to not really sound any different from your phone! But if your heart is set on one. Cant go wrong with duoo x2.
 
Dec 6, 2016 at 8:44 AM Post #1,745 of 8,127
So.. Are you recommend me to use the smartphone that i already have?
Yes, i don't want spend to much money.. I feel like its not so important but this audio-world is very addictive haha
Btw, do you prefer the S5 or X2?

The problem is that I like them both so I switch back and forth.
 
Dec 7, 2016 at 2:23 AM Post #1,748 of 8,127
I bought the Smart D200 player : https://www.aliexpress.com/af/Nondestructive-Smart-Player-D200.html
 
Really nice build, solid cut out CNC block, but it's a little bit bulky for a pocket. The sound is really nice though. The volume pot is high quality, no imbalance and a nice firm feel. Took me a while to figure out how to change the UI language to English, the UI isn't great, it's perfectly workable but sometimes two button press needed to recognize input, not the buttons fault, it's the cpu or . It came with 32GB SD completely full of lossless music, mostly Chinese music, but actually really awesome music, going to be listening to this stuff for a while hehe.
 
I changed the stock amp Muses8820 to Muses01 which actually made quite a noticeable difference, seems to be a transparent circuit, btw the amp output is Class A biased by 4 transistors. Next I'll change the two LPF opamps to Muses01. The differential conversion is done by OPA1642. Actual colour of the dap is rose gold/champagne gold, (kinda wishing I had asked for the black version so the black screen would meld with it).
 
The sound is very natural, less cold than the Zishan, not warm, just plain natural sounding, vocals sound very good, and the treble also is more realistic. The bass is meh, not in amount, there is enough bass, but it just doesn't wow me in any way like the mids and treble, actually the bass is a bit less defined than I'd like, which is no good for fast electronic music, but the actual tonality and timbre of the bass is better than zishan, great for instruments, acoustic, classical or even pop and classic rock, etc. Lossless 44.1k sounds noticeably better than 320 mp3 with this player, it is quite revealing and not very forgiving.
 
Current version of this dap is V4, they made quite a few changes since the original, now using Elna capacitors, better transistors, upped the DAC supply voltage to 7.3v instead of original 5v, and as far as I know this is the first portable player with maxed dac voltage of AK44995SEQ. To compensate for battery life they increased battery to 3800mAH (from 3500) and reduced opamp supply voltage from original +/-12v to +/-10.5v, yet we still get 1hr less playback life (now 6hr vs 7hr original) because of the big dac voltage boost. The V4 has completely redesigned power supply, now using Analog Devices ADP power chip with 3 big AMS1117 voltage regulators, these things provide a massive 1 ampere each.
 

 
Dec 7, 2016 at 5:51 AM Post #1,750 of 8,127
If im not wrong, the ATJ2117 it handle 16 bits/48 kHz and if the sellers in Aliexpress don't lie, the Mrobo C5 and mini Amoi C10 (it seems both are the same player with different brand ) it handle 192 kHz/24bit and DSD 64. 
Anyway it's a reallly cheap dap if its true.
 
Dec 7, 2016 at 7:09 AM Post #1,751 of 8,127
  If im not wrong, the ATJ2117 it handle 16 bits/48 kHz and if the sellers in Aliexpress don't lie, the Mrobo C5 and mini Amoi C10 (it seems both are the same player with different brand ) it handle 192 kHz/24bit and DSD 64. 
Anyway it's a reallly cheap dap if its true.

I should have the MROBO fairly soon. Will give some impressions when it arrives.
 
Dec 7, 2016 at 12:39 PM Post #1,754 of 8,127
Planning to buy this Zhisan in the future:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0k.6846577.0.0.j7sTDz&id=541533772614&_u=t2dmg8j26111
 
Anyone used it before? The reason I am skipping to buy the Zhisan with volume pot is two fold:

First it seems like from review on Taobao, the pot has little to no resistace, thereby you can accidentally change volume.

Second, it seems there is channel imbalance also, and from close up pictures of the pot, it seems to be a "B" grade pot as opposed to Panasonic or Alps
 
 

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