[ardilla]

Agree with everything said in posts above.

With all the multi-kilobuck cans that competitors are making nowadays, I wonder if Beyer will be creating some endgame exceeding the T-series both by SQ and money. By comparison, the current Beyer flagships are priced really competitively, almost mid-fi.

Mind you, all those competitors are low-Z as well with but a few exceptions.

As principally high-Z cans will have better control of their voice coils, and so more precise transients, I hope this low-Z fashion will subside at least on the desktop.

Nah.. Sennheiser HD series is 300 Ohms and there are more

Planars are different, not as sensitive to output impedance.

 

[roderickvd]

True, some of those high-Z Senns get close to 2K$. My point was not to be comprehensive about market offerings, but wonder: would Beyer start offering cans 2K$ and up? The market has changed since years ago when the T1 was launched as flagship.

Do not agree about planars being insensitive to output impedance. Just hook an Audeze up to an OTL…

 

[ardilla]

True, some of those high-Z Senns get close to 2K$. My point was not to be comprehensive about market offerings, but wonder: would Beyer start offering cans 2K$ and up? The market has changed since years ago when the T1 was launched as flagship.

Do not agree about planars being insensitive to output impedance. Just hook an Audeze up to an OTL…

I didn't say insensitive, but not as sensitive. Don't put words in my mouth, please ,)

Yes, I've tried many planars with OTL. It's not great. But with transformer coupled amps, planars can really shine.

 

[ardilla]

But to your main point, I totally agree

Wondering what Beyerdynamic is thinking about high end headphones. They'd better come up with something nice!

 

[roderickvd]

I didn't say insensitive, but not as sensitive. Don't put words in my mouth, please ,)

Not intended, sorry.

Yes, I've tried many planars with OTL. It's not great. But with transformer coupled amps, planars can really shine.

Have had SS, OTL, hybrids, but never a SET. How do you think they compare?

 

[ardilla]

No problem

Do you mean how they compare with the T1?

 

[roderickvd]

No more like, does a SET sound anything like a hybrid? Or more tubey? When paired with a dynamic headphone like the T1.

(Yeah a bit off-topic)

 

[ardilla]

No more like, does a SET sound anything like a hybrid? Or more tubey? When paired with a dynamic headphone like the T1.

(Yeah a bit off-topic)

I haven't played around much with SETs, so I'm not the right person to give you an answer to that

 

[thehutch]

I haven't played around much with SETs, so I'm not the right person to give you an answer to that

SETs generally not as tubey sounding as OTL but would not really compare directly to hybrid. Good SET can achieve a much more organic sound. Of course all depends on amp and tubes and how good your power and headphone synergy etc.

 

[jonathan c]

SETs generally not as tubey sounding as OTL but would not really compare directly to hybrid. Good SET can achieve a much more organic sound. Of course all depends on amp and tubes and how good your power and headphone synergy etc.

One cannot make categorical generalisations of SET sound vs OTL sound. Each approach has advantages and disadvantages. Then there are details …. such as solid-state rectification vs tube rectification within each approach. [Rectification is the conversion of AC to DC.]

 

[wmf]

It was a stupid move to go for 32 Ohms. The main thing was the high impedance to be combined with tubes. Why stop making it? Sennheiser did the opposite with the 300 Ohms HD660S2, backtracking the lower 150 Ohms (?) impedance HD660S. I mean HD650 and HD600 is still selling

i mean, my first T1 was a Gen3.... very nice, for some reason i wanted a Gen2...found a real nice pair on ebay. i really wanted to know how it sounded... and boy i wasnt disappointed.

 

[andred]

for some reason i wanted a Gen2...found a real nice pair on ebay. i really wanted to know how it sounded... and boy i wasnt disappointed.

just picked up a used T1 G2. wow! impressive. and a hell of a bargain at today's prices.

 

[wmf]

just picked up a used T1 G2. wow! impressive. and a hell of a bargain at today's prices.

mine wasnt a bargain, but still definately worth it, and in great shape. not made any more, so these will be harder and harder to come by...

 

[kelly200269]

mine wasnt a bargain, but still definately worth it, and in great shape. not made any more, so these will be harder and harder to come by...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15584373...JyJVmBVRnW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[arteom]

Picked up a pair of T1.2 Beyers secondhand. Going to be trying them out of the hi-z output of an old Rudistor RPX-33mk2 amp. Also have a Cavalli EHHA with socketed gain resistors which I may tune for the Beyers. Excited to see how they might fare. I heard the original years ago at a meet, remember being pleasantly surprised.