[omegaorgun]

So, I would like to get another cable for my M1060...mainly for looks as I have no issue with the stock one. I like the look of the Monoprice braided one, but it is a foot shorter than the stock one which is a perfect length. I don't want to spend a carp load of money as I don't believe in cable magic.

Any HD700 cable will work off amazon.

So are these Micca G2's just some rebranded Chinese amps? is the Micca Outlet on Ebay dumping customer returns? All looks kinda sketchy to me.

Yea and they also made a DAC the exact same as M-Audio's Super DAC which was also black and not silver.

Thanks guys for helping me figure out that the Micca g2 isn't right for me, I just can't trust a company who does shady stuff like this and the other things I mentioned.
I guess I should buy a Schiit stack(Magni 3 and Modi 2) as they seem to be a very trustworthy company and are upfront about there products and not trying to sell me snake oil.
Plus they are made in America so thats one less things to be concerned about
Most of the problems that I found people have about the Schiit stack in not the products fault but rather something they have, example the Mixamp and Magni 3 thread I linked to from reddit.
Thanks @omegaorgun for linking those amp/dacs for me but they all look kind of meh expect for the Fx Dac-x7 which might be decent but looks overpriced for what it is.
Also Is it better value to buy a dac/amp or a separate dac and separate amp?
If anyone has ideas as what I should buy just let me know

I think Syba makes the unit but Micca might ask them to change the chips, high gain switch and color etc. I had the Syba version and it was OK, a little too sharp with plenty of power but on certain cans it would cut out at very high volume.

If you are going into schiit territory there is always the Daart Canary or Aune but I would get that on Massdrop as it goes for $199 there I think.

 

[IBJamon]

A lot of people find the Topping D3 to be a great value for a dedicated DAC. I believe with my Emotiva I am good to go on amps, so I have thought about getting one of those, but it's no hurry for me.

 

[omegaorgun]

A lot of people find the Topping D3 to be a great value for a dedicated DAC. I believe with my Emotiva I am good to go on amps, so I have thought about getting one of those, but it's no hurry for me.

Looks similar to the $65 DAC-X6 I have, it has more power than many other DAC's and with a simple opamp roll it sounds much better. The topping also looks like it has a 15v input which is interesting as the DAC-X6 has 12v and most cheaper DAc's run on 5v.

Saying that when you do go into the more expensive $200 territory you do start to hear the difference.I ordered the xduoo ta-01 off massdrop and will have it next week, can't wait to tube roll.

 

[Ron Swanson]

@IBJamon
Thanks for the suggestion but the dac/amp looks a bit cheap.
I will look into the Aune x1s I have seen it on massdrop in the pass so I will see if it worth it to wait for it to drop on massdrop or get a Schiit stack.

 

[IBJamon]

Sure. I am of the opinion that there is no mysticism about price - if a dac/amp/etc. conforms to a spec and outputs proper results, and uses a high quality chipset, then it is working as intended and it won't get much better. Unless of course you want it to perform differently than perfect (tubes, etc.) in which case more power to you.

This is not to say that I don't like those things - if a tube sounds better, awesome! I'm just saying that if a solid state dac is decoding with minimal jitter/compression/lag/etc. then you shouldn't really expect much better spending more money. Topping amps/dacs are incredible value because they perform well for the money. If you can't pick up the different on a scope, there probably isn't much left on the floor performance wise.

But that's just my opinion. And I don't necessarily practice what I preach, either. My home theater has thousands of watts worth of amps, when a competent high end receiver would probably work just fine - and yet, I sprung for the pre/pro and amps. And oh yeah - my speakers are 94db efficient. Go figure, right?

 

[Ron Swanson]

Sure. I am of the opinion that there is no mysticism about price - if a dac/amp/etc. conforms to a spec and outputs proper results, and uses a high quality chipset, then it is working as intended and it won't get much better. Unless of course you want it to perform differently than perfect (tubes, etc.) in which case more power to you.

This is not to say that I don't like those things - if a tube sounds better, awesome! I'm just saying that if a solid state dac is decoding with minimal jitter/compression/lag/etc. then you shouldn't really expect much better spending more money. Topping amps/dacs are incredible value because they perform well for the money. If you can't pick up the different on a scope, there probably isn't much left on the floor performance wise.

But that's just my opinion. And I don't necessarily practice what I preach, either. My home theater has thousands of watts worth of amps, when a competent high end receiver would probably work just fine - and yet, I sprung for the pre/pro and amps. And oh yeah - my speakers are 94db efficient. Go figure, right?

Whatever floats your boat I just think that designing a dac/amp is very complex task with all the internal parts and all and that a company like Schiit which is highly praised and designed in Germany and made in America is probably a better product then a dac/amp designed and made in China but hey everyone's different

 

[dwinnert]

Whatever floats your boat I just think that designing a dac/amp is very complex task with all the internal parts and all and that a company like Schiit which is highly praised and designed in Germany and made in America is probably a better product then a dac/amp designed and made in China but hey everyone's different

Schiit is 100% American. Jason Stoddard was one of the owners/designers of Sumo Amps back in the 80's. Sumo was across the street from my office in Chatsworth, CA. I still own a Sumo Polaris.

 

[IBJamon]

I didn't know that about Schiit. Good to know they are 100% American! That's a good reason to buy their stuff, for sure. No hobby is all black and white!

 

[Ron Swanson]

Schiit is 100% American. Jason Stoddard was one of the owners/designers of Sumo Amps back in the 80's. Sumo was across the street from my office in Chatsworth, CA. I still own a Sumo Polaris.

Huh, well thats deceiving because on the front of there website it say's "Yes, that is our name. Shih-tah. It's a proud German name, host to a long line of audio engineers who slaved away in crumbling Teutonic fortresses as lightning lashed the dark lands outside, working to perfect the best amplification devices in the world..."

 

[fpantalone]

Huh, well thats deceiving because on the front of there website it say's "Yes, that is our name. Shih-tah. It's a proud German name, host to a long line of audio engineers who slaved away in crumbling Teutonic fortresses as lightning lashed the dark lands outside, working to perfect the best amplification devices in the world..."

Ummm ... yeah. They actually have a sense of humour ...

 

[Ron Swanson]

Ummm ... yeah. They actually have a sense of humour ...

Yea it did seem a bit strange for a German to have humour lol.

 

[Pahani]

Yea it did seem a bit strange for a German to have humour lol.

Read more all around Schiit's website. Even (or especially) the Owner's Manuals. They poke fun at themselves pretty much non-stop.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Read more all around Schiit's website. Even (or especially) the Owner's Manuals. They poke fun at themselves pretty much non-stop.

Yea I read the owner's manual of the Magni 3 and I thought this was funny " 1 Connect your source to the Magni’s “IN” RCA jacks with high-quality RCA cables. Or you can use crappy cables (but why?) ".

 

[omegaorgun]

Yea I read the owner's manual of the Magni 3 and I thought this was funny " 1 Connect your source to the Magni’s “IN” RCA jacks with high-quality RCA cables. Or you can use crappy cables (but why?) ".

Certain Chinese audio equipment manufacturers take a lot of pride in what the do like Audio GD. The Daart actually has gold on the front for shielding and it's supposedly better than the schiit stack for audio.

Just because bits Chinese doesn't always mean it's bad.

 

[SomeTechNoob]

Also having an OEM/ODM is extremely common in the tech industry. Not really shady at all.

Schiit's cheaper dacs are known to have issues with USB. Sometimes they work fine, sometimes they don't perform as expected. They are really susceptible to USB quality. My Fulla 2 produces a quiet but high pitch tone from the line out even without the power lines connected to the computer. With regular USB plugged into my desktop, it gets even louder. However, when plugged into my Dell XPS 13, all is quiet.