[Danfish98]

I am thinking of ordering the KZ ES4's. I have enjoyed my ED9's and ZS5's, but I like strong bass, and the ES4's apparently are good for that. If you have a pair of ES4's, would you agree?

I can get the ES4's for $19, same day free delivery:
https://www.amazon.com/Earphones-**...id=1535384214&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=es4&psc=1

ES4 has strong mid bass but I find the ZSA has better sub bass and it doesn't bleed into the mids like the ES4.

 

[david8613]

I just picked up the the kz zs10, not too crazy about them. I am having a hard time getting a good seal, I tried ear some spare tips I know give me good seal on other iems and no good. I think its the angle of the tubes. Even when I push them in and twist them with to get a good seal they sound better but I get some basss but I am still not getting the bass people are talking about and the highs and high mids are very forward and pronounce to me, not laid back like in other reviews. I am hoping its because I am not getting a good seal. advice anyone?

 

[Deveraux]

That’s a very individual preference thing.

The main differences are:

• color of insulation (yellow, silver, grey, black)
• impedance preference
• braid style
• ear hook style (memory wire, molded rubber hook)
• mic or no mic
• 3.5mm plug type (straight or angled)
• 2-pin plug type (straight or angled)
• if silver plated wire turning a slight green tinge bothers you or not
• Bluetooth or not
• budget
• If you have a brand preference (genuine KZ, TRN, 3rd party generic)

Saying “recommend me a wire” is like saying “recommend me a car”. You could get 20 different answers. You need to be a little more specific if you have specific preferences. For example, a lot of people get irritated when the silver plated wires turn a faint tint of green.

I’m very sorry I was not specific. All I need is a replacement for the silver upgrade cable I bought a year back. Something equally good or better than the silver kz cable for the same amount preferably under 10$. Looking for the one that gives the best sound and mic is preferred. Rest are just optional. Would like something that doesn’t turn green though.

 

[tripside]

I see... I'll get the USB-C from KZ and the BT from TRN then

Found it here for 18 usd shipped... is it the right model? (just talking about the model, the connectors should be the right ones for my ZSR)

TRN Wireless Bluetooth Cable HIFI Earphone MMCX/2Pin/IE80 Connector Support IPX4 Use TRN V10/V20/V60 TFZ NICEHCK HK6 APT-X APTX
http://s.aliexpress.com/uaUr6vIj



I see, thabk you both

Trn has launched a new cable. I just came across it. It costs twice as much as their current cable....

http://s.aliexpress.com/zaqU3e2I

 

[hakuzen]

my tips and cable for ED16. stock black starline tips with foam inside, pushed all down i could. this way, short wide tips, highs are better listened with less sibilance. sub-bass is powerful in ED16, so no need to use long narrow tips.
used the foam inside to provide a tighter fit (better seal), because nozzles are short and the combo is shallow.
sources used always have low output impedance (<0.2Ω).
their sub-bass is great for EDM, for example, and doesn't interfere with other frequencies. they sound pleasant, but more defined mids and highs would be desired. not tried EQ yet.




my first impression of AS10: too much midbass, they are a bit dark as a result. hope they will respond well to EQ, because it's needed for most tracks.
it seems kz boosted the lows BA because they thought that bass wouldn't be as powerful as with dynamic driver. and this wasn't necessary at all.
resolution is high, though. they are very sensitive (quite lower volume needed compared to ZS6 and ED16), and i'm afraid their impedance is lower than specified (will measure it). much source dependent, surely, and not forgiving with low quality tracks. potential is huge, i have to spend more time with them..

 

[fedcas]

ES4 has strong mid bass but I find the ZSA has better sub bass and it doesn't bleed into the mids like the ES4.

mmh... talking about ZSA and ES4... I have a pair of ZSR since a few days and I really like them... so I wanted to try another model from KZ, but they are infamous for having so many models... I ended up with this shopping list XD (I also have a 3 USD seller discount, and maybe even some more discount from a code I found in a review on SoundphileReview)

(note the Es4 has 2 extra cables, it's 11.26 USD otherwise). I have checked the price history and the discounts are real (not the fake 50% advertised on the item page of course, but still relevant) here is an example: https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/32875117793

Yet, I think 5 KZ models is a bit too much and it's over 50USD... so which one would you avoid? For example, I'm considering dropping the ED16 unless it's really worth it, cause I don't think the cables I'm buying for the ZSR are compatible with the ED16 (or unofficially they are?). Or myabe there is some other must-have model I forgot?

By the way, is there any other cheap accessories I should add to the cart? (the KZ USB-C cable and the TRN BT cable are already in the list)

 

[Slater]

are you a platinum member? i think that might make a difference coupon wise.

Yes, platinum.

 

[Danfish98]

mmh... talking about ZSA and ES4... I have a pair of ZSR since a few days and I really like them... so I wanted to try another model from KZ, but they are infamous for having so many models... I ended up with this shopping list XD (I also have a 3 USD seller discount, and maybe even some more discount from a code I found in a review on SoundphileReview)

(note the Es4 has 2 extra cables, it's 11.26 USD otherwise). I have checked the price history and the discounts are real (not the fake 50% advertised on the item page of course, but still relevant) here is an example: https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/32875117793

Yet, I think 5 KZ models is a bit too much and it's over 50USD... so which one would you avoid? For example, I'm considering dropping the ED16 unless it's really worth it, cause I don't think the cables I'm buying for the ZSR are compatible with the ED16 (or unofficially they are?). Or myabe there is some other must-have model I forgot?

By the way, is there any other cheap accessories I should add to the cart? (the KZ USB-C cable and the TRN BT cable are already in the list)

Haven't heard the ED16 so I can't comment on it but I'd pick the ZSA by a fairly large margin over the ES4. I feel your KZ pain. I had 0 of them 3 months ago, now I own the zs5, zsa, zs10, and es4.

 

[fedcas]

Trn has launched a new cable. I just came across it. It costs twice as much as their current cable....

http://s.aliexpress.com/zaqU3e2I

interesting... but... twice as much as this other vendor you mean https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1825606/search?origin=y&SearchText=trn+bluetooth
(both models slightly less buying in the app)

EDIT: I've read the specs of both models, but the only difference I can see is that one is bt 4.1 and the other 4.2... mmh... should I wait for a review or it should be safe to buy the BT10 instead of the BT3?

 

[Slater]

Trn has launched a new cable. I just came across it. It costs twice as much as their current cable....

http://s.aliexpress.com/zaqU3e2I

Hmmm, specs look exactly the same as the previous one. The only difference I can see is the neck wire. I personally don’t think that difference alone is worth $40 vs $20. You can buy (2) BT3 for every (1) BT10.

I guess it depends on each individual if the neck wire is worth it.

 

[hakuzen]

mmh... talking about ZSA and ES4... I have a pair of ZSR since a few days and I really like them... so I wanted to try another model from KZ, but they are infamous for having so many models... I ended up with this shopping list XD (I also have a 3 USD seller discount, and maybe even some more discount from a code I found in a review on SoundphileReview)

(note the Es4 has 2 extra cables, it's 11.26 USD otherwise). I have checked the price history and the discounts are real (not the fake 50% advertised on the item page of course, but still relevant) here is an example: https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/32875117793

Yet, I think 5 KZ models is a bit too much and it's over 50USD... so which one would you avoid? For example, I'm considering dropping the ED16 unless it's really worth it, cause I don't think the cables I'm buying for the ZSR are compatible with the ED16 (or unofficially they are?). Or myabe there is some other must-have model I forgot?

By the way, is there any other cheap accessories I should add to the cart? (the KZ USB-C cable and the TRN BT cable are already in the list)

don't drop ED16.. they sound very pleasant without any EQ, they are absolutely worth it at $16, and might be discontinued soon..


aliexpress coupon of $2 (on orders of $19 or more, any product) is only available for platinum/diamond customers. it costs 200 coins.
same with coupon of $8 (on orders of $59 or more, any product), 800 coins.
but you can only get one of each during this sale.
despite of the type of customer you are, you can get lot of "select" coupons of $2 (they are only valid for products/shops which state it explicitly).

 

[peskypesky]

ES4 has strong mid bass but I find the ZSA has better sub bass and it doesn't bleed into the mids like the ES4.

Thank you! I'll check out reviews of the ZSA.

 

[fedcas]

Hmmm, specs look exactly the same as the previous one. The only difference I can see is the neck wire. I personally don’t think that difference alone is worth $40 vs $20. You can buy (2) BT3 for every (1) BT10.

I guess it depends on each individual if the neck wire is worth it.

read my post just above yours by the way, is 20ish USD the normal price for the BT3 or before this promotion days it was more around 30 USD?

 

[tripside]

interesting... but... twice as much as this other vendor you mean https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1825606/search?origin=y&SearchText=trn+bluetooth
(both models slightly less buying in the app)

EDIT: I've read the specs of both models, but the only difference I can see is that one is bt 4.1 and the other 4.2... mmh... should I wait for a review or it should be safe to buy the BT10 instead of the BT3?

The vendor had priced it horrendously....
They could have also improved the dac, hard tell without listening to both models. A few people have mentioned that the older cable makes the sound more bassy.

Hmmm, specs look exactly the same as the previous one. The only difference I can see is the neck wire. I personally don’t think that difference alone is worth $40 vs $20. You can buy (2) BT3 for every (1) BT10.

I guess it depends on each individual if the neck wire is worth it.

Looks like the retail price is close to the older cable. I think the new neckband design is cleaner. Hopefully it will sound better as well.

 

[loomisjohnson]

mmh... talking about ZSA and ES4... I have a pair of ZSR since a few days and I really like them... so I wanted to try another model from KZ, but they are infamous for having so many models... I ended up with this shopping list XD (I also have a 3 USD seller discount, and maybe even some more discount from a code I found in a review on SoundphileReview)

(note the Es4 has 2 extra cables, it's 11.26 USD otherwise). I have checked the price history and the discounts are real (not the fake 50% advertised on the item page of course, but still relevant) here is an example: https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/32875117793

Yet, I think 5 KZ models is a bit too much and it's over 50USD... so which one would you avoid? For example, I'm considering dropping the ED16 unless it's really worth it, cause I don't think the cables I'm buying for the ZSR are compatible with the ED16 (or unofficially they are?). Or myabe there is some other must-have model I forgot?

By the way, is there any other cheap accessories I should add to the cart? (the KZ USB-C cable and the TRN BT cable are already in the list)

if you already have the zsr you don't have to have the ed16, which has a similar character (albeit a little smaller, more comfortable form factor), altho i really like the ed16. i'd do a coin flip between the es4 and the zsa; you definitely need the ed9 (everyone does).