Don't know how you people like them starlines so much. They are so hard and uncomfortable for me. Also, how come of all the things China copies, they cant figure out a cost effective solution to JVC spiral dots? Them things are so comfy and sound so good on just about everything I have ever put them on. Currently on my ES4's, ZS10 and FXT200's. Its just insane that they are $15-$20 a pack.