[badwisdom]

 
I find the sound much richer and fuller with the Comply tips. You need to turn the volume a bit louder than you would listen to on stock eartips and turn up the bass to appreciate the full potential of the Layla. Anyways the tips are cheap compared with the Layla itself so there is no harm trying.

Oh absolutely, do try. Just wanted to temper expectations a bit with my own experience
 
And there was way too much bass when i used them so i dont think turning up the bass more would solve it

 

[Eroica4th]

TX has even more isolation than TSX and goes a bit deeper.  Both have wax guard.

Their website is not so friendly. Can you please provide a link on the difference between tsx and ts.

Thanks

 

[LouisArmstrong]

 
Oh absolutely, do try. Just wanted to temper expectations a bit with my own experience
 
And there was way too much bass when i used them so i dont think turning up the bass more would solve it

To each his own. To me it wasn't quite enough - that's why I bought the XB90Ex after getting the Layla, which is quite a feat considering the price difference. 

 

[Eroica4th]

Their website is not so friendly. Can you please provide a link on the difference between tsx and ts.

Thanks

 

[John Culter]

  Can you describe the differences in sound qualities between customs vs universal Laylas? Been debating about going the custom route, but would like more opinions before making a decision.

you can check the interviews with Jerry himself - they are both absolutely same earpieces, with same electronics, same tuning, no difference at all. What comes from bore of universal piece, comes also from the bore of custom piece.
Only difference makes the seal in your ear (bass amount) and the position where the bore ends in your ear. In case of customs, there is "vacuum" and bore shots directly to the empty space in your ear canal. In case of the universals - there is used silicone or foam tip, who drastically changes the perception of mids and highs - very same stuff like treating your listening room/studio. Foam tips are absorbing those mids and highs without any reflections, so they prevent the resonance and sibilance - so they are producing original, intended sound signature. Silicone tips can be long lasting without any daily wear defects (foams have to be replaced over time), but silicone tips reverberate higher mids and highs in your ear canal and artificially increase those frequencies.
Lot of users are tuning the universal Laylas and other IEMs in general with various silicone tips (different shape - different reflection), and telling about improvement of sound etc. This is complete ********, it doesn't improve anything - it just adds on top of the original signature another "equalisation' in form of added mid and higher frequencies. But sure this can be advantage - you can actually tune your universal IEMs to your liking, and disregard their original proposed signature.
The seal can be achieved absolutely same with careful size choice of silicone or foam tips. There is so many choices around.
But the go home point is - foam Comply tips with proper seal are the original signature and this case produce 100% same sound as the customs.

 

[Eroica4th]

you can check the interviews with Jerry himself - they are both absolutely same earpieces, with same electronics, same tuning, no difference at all. What comes from bore of universal piece, comes also from the bore of custom piece.
Only difference makes the seal in your ear (bass amount) and the position where the bore ends in your ear. In case of customs, there is "vacuum" and bore shots directly to the empty space in your ear canal. In case of the universals - there is used silicone or foam tip, who drastically changes the perception of mids and highs - very same stuff like treating your listening room/studio. Foam tips are absorbing those mids and highs without any reflections, so they prevent the resonance and sibilance - so they are producing original, intended sound signature. Silicone tips can be long lasting without any daily wear defects (foams have to be replaced over time), but silicone tips reverberate higher mids and highs in your ear canal and artificially increase those frequencies.
Lot of users are tuning the universal Laylas and other IEMs in general with various silicone tips (different shape - different reflection), and telling about improvement of sound etc. This is complete ********, it doesn't improve anything - it just adds on top of the original signature another "equalisation' in form of added mid and higher frequencies. But sure this can be advantage - you can actually tune your universal IEMs to your liking, and disregard their original proposed signature.
The seal can be achieved absolutely same with careful size choice of silicone or foam tips. There is so many choices around.
But the go home point is - foam Comply tips with proper seal are the original signature and this case produce 100% same sound as the customs.

Could you please precisly tell us which model of the foam comply tips u r referring to ?

Thanks.

 

[John Culter]

Could you please precisly tell us which model of the foam comply tips u r referring to ?

Thanks.

Those in original package . Comply Tx-500. Also the wax protected edition works. You can try to do some 'mods' to  get rid of the unnecessary foam.
 

 

 

 

[Eroica4th]

Those in original package . Comply Tx-500. Also the wax protected edition works. You can try to do some 'mods' to  get rid of the unnecessary foam.

What do you think of tsx500 or ts500

 

[John Culter]

What do you think of tsx500 or ts500

It is really matter of the shape of your ear canal. The best possible way is to buy both and check yourself what makes the best seal and comfortable fit for you.

 

[danielpsyd26]

 
you can check the interviews with Jerry himself - they are both absolutely same earpieces, with same electronics, same tuning, no difference at all. What comes from bore of universal piece, comes also from the bore of custom piece.
Only difference makes the seal in your ear (bass amount) and the position where the bore ends in your ear. In case of customs, there is "vacuum" and bore shots directly to the empty space in your ear canal. In case of the universals - there is used silicone or foam tip, who drastically changes the perception of mids and highs - very same stuff like treating your listening room/studio. Foam tips are absorbing those mids and highs without any reflections, so they prevent the resonance and sibilance - so they are producing original, intended sound signature. Silicone tips can be long lasting without any daily wear defects (foams have to be replaced over time), but silicone tips reverberate higher mids and highs in your ear canal and artificially increase those frequencies.
Lot of users are tuning the universal Laylas and other IEMs in general with various silicone tips (different shape - different reflection), and telling about improvement of sound etc. This is complete ********, it doesn't improve anything - it just adds on top of the original signature another "equalisation' in form of added mid and higher frequencies. But sure this can be advantage - you can actually tune your universal IEMs to your liking, and disregard their original proposed signature.
The seal can be achieved absolutely same with careful size choice of silicone or foam tips. There is so many choices around.
But the go home point is - foam Comply tips with proper seal are the original signature and this case produce 100% same sound as the customs.

Appreciate the response John. Very informative!

 

[M-13]

I don't know about all this...

 I personally really didn't like the memory foams that came with the Layla's. It seemed to muffle the highs and create bloated bass.
 
All foam tips do this with IEMs as they suck up the high frequencies. Plus Jerry Harvey included the silicone tips as the standard tips. If he thought the complys were the original tuning he should have stuck them as the default tips. I figured he included them for people who have trouble getting seal with the silicone. I do agree that if you're having trouble getting a good seal/fit with the silicone then you're forced to go with the memory foam, but if you get wonderful seal and sound from silicone... to my ears I prefer that sound and feel like it's more neutral/reference than foam/complys
 
Anyway... everyone has different ears and different tastes. For me the original silicone tips are the bees knees and create my own idea of reference sound with the added benefit of velvety lushness that is evenloping. This characteristic does not come from coloration of the frequency response, but just the sheer capabilities of the 12 drivers to produce incredible dense/rich tones without using the trick of mid-bass bloat tuning.

 

[LouisArmstrong]

  I don't know about all this...

 I personally really didn't like the memory foams that came with the Layla's. It seemed to muffle the highs and create bloated bass.
 
All foam tips do this with IEMs as they suck up the high frequencies. Plus Jerry Harvey included the silicone tips as the standard tips. If he thought the complys were the original tuning he should have stuck them as the default tips. I figured he included them for people who have trouble getting seal with the silicone. I do agree that if you're having trouble getting a good seal/fit with the silicone then you're forced to go with the memory foam, but if you get wonderful seal and sound from silicone... to my ears I prefer that sound and feel like it's more neutral/reference than foam/complys
 
Anyway... everyone has different ears and different tastes. For me the original silicone tips are the bees knees and create my own idea of reference sound with the added benefit of velvety lushness that is evenloping. This characteristic does not come from coloration of the frequency response, but just the sheer capabilities of the 12 drivers to produce incredible dense/rich tones without using the trick of mid-bass bloat tuning.

Yes - everyone has different ears and different tastes - I found the original silicon tips made the Layla sound very unengaging and the mids and highs sounded a bit coarse. With the Comply tips the true power of the mids shines and the bass just hits harder and deeper if I used silicon tips. To each his own. 

 

[M-13]

I respect that. Also it's probably why JH included both types of tips. What unites us is our great love for Layla. She's a very special girl

 

[tumburu]

   
Lot of users are tuning the universal Laylas and other IEMs in general with various silicone tips (different shape - different reflection), and telling about improvement of sound etc. This is complete ********, it doesn't improve anything - it just adds on top of the original signature another "equalisation' in form of added mid and higher frequencies. But sure this can be advantage - you can actually tune your universal IEMs to your liking, and disregard their original proposed signature.

 
Completely agree with that!
 
But to go even further, one can take the foam tips and cut them, only not at the tip, but at the rear side! And, of course, remove that foam that is interposed between the bores and your ear membrane first, as it has the opposite effect of the silicone tips: muffles the sound.
 
Cutting the tips until they are at the same level with the tip of the IEM itself will reduce the interference to a minimum, giving you the closest version of its actual sound.
 
I did that with a pair of Shure 'olives' and wouldn't change those with anything else (it took a bit of work though, but it was so worth it). It's hard to imagine that the custom will be much different from that, IMO.

 

[Eroica4th]

Completely agree with that!

But to go even further, one can take the foam tips and cut them, only not at the tip, but at the rear side! And, of course, remove that foam that is interposed between the bores and your ear membrane first, as it has the opposite effect of the silicone tips: muffles the sound.

Cutting the tips until they are at the same level with the tip of the IEM itself will reduce the interference to a minimum, giving you the closest version of its actual sound.

I did that with a pair of Shure 'olives' and wouldn't change those with anything else (it took a bit of work though, but it was so worth it). It's hard to imagine that the custom will be much different from that, IMO.

Pictures please