Hi guys~ I currently own westone 4R and i'm looking for CIEM to buy for the first time. I followed this thread for some quite time to decide between JH 13 and JH 16. I still didn't make up my mind between the two TT. i understand JH 13 is more natural than JH 16 and that 16s have more bass and they are more for bass heads. But because I can't get an opportunity to actually sit down and carefully listen to both of them to make up my mind, all i can do is to compare them with the current IEM that i use (W4R) Can someone enlighten me which one i should go for? I prefer neutral sound over a bassy sound but i am not implying that I do not like bass. In other words, i am afraid that 13s might sound "too" neutral and lacks too much bass so the music might sound boring; on the other hand, im afraid that 16s might sound too bass heavy for my preference. I prefer sound that is balanced with clarity and enough bass for the music to sound interesting. Im sure every CIEM has its pros and cons, but i would very much appreciate people's opinions XD P.S. I find W4R balanced but lacks a bit of clarity and treble. Also, lacks a bit of "thump" in bass, but the overall bass (called sub-bass?.. im kinda new to this XD sorry) is ok.