Introducing the Dacamp L1, flagship CL1 Ceramic and CL750 from RHA
Aug 28, 2016 at 4:12 AM Post #91 of 515
  Hey guys, thanks for all the enthusiasm so far!
 
Lots of questions in the thread, I'll be running through them all tomorrow morning in a big post!

Couple of things that might be worth noting just now: CL1 is 150 ohms, and yes, we are looking into bundles for CL1 + Dacamp L1!

 

I was going to inquire about the clock used in the L1, but seems like the DAC chip got that covered with the "jitter eliminator" :)
 
http://www.esstech.com/index.php/en/products/sabre-digital-analog-converters/sabre-hifi-mobile-dacs/sabre-hifi-stereo-dacs/es9018k2m/
 
bundles = awesome, preorder possible?
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 6:55 AM Post #92 of 515
I for one as a dynamic driver enthusiasts cannot wait to hear the CL1. High impedance means great amp and source selection. it would be great to see various accessories for xlr mini such as 3.5mm or 2.5 mm trrs for wider pairing.
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 9:48 AM Post #94 of 515
The CL 750 has me very interested.  All of my IEM's are for more mobile use, but the CL750 seems like more of a desktop option.  Would be a good alternative to some large over ears during the summer months.  I must say 150 ohm IEM is certainly unique.  Any chance RHA will be doing a review tour or something for these? If so I would love to give these a listen :)
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 11:50 AM Post #95 of 515
Hmm, I was considering buying the Sony PHA-3. Should I hold off?
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 4:13 PM Post #97 of 515
Is the 10 hour battery life for SE or balanced connection? And can we play/charge simultaneously?
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 7:33 PM Post #98 of 515
The CL1 looks awesome.  Knowing my luck (got the T10i 2 years ago and the T20i at the last SHaG), I'll probably win it this year. :)  Very much looking forward to listening to it at RMAF!
 
If I don't win them, I'll probably end up picking up both the CL1 and Dacamp L1 anyways.
 
Aug 28, 2016 at 9:38 PM Post #99 of 515
Also, not to bee too demanding but a rubber plugs for the unused sockets would be nice, to prevent dust getting inside when carried in the pocket.
 
The 3.5mm is easy to get aftermarket but the mini XLR is unobtanium afaik.
 
EDIT: for the DAC
 
Aug 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM Post #100 of 515
Zirconium Dioxide ceramic. Nice. Not sure if they sound good, but sure won't get scratched.
 
Aug 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM Post #101 of 515
Hello!
 
Right, let's address the big one that came earlier in the thread. Why are we doing 150 ohm IEMs?
 
To those who said we're just using them to help sell Dacamp units, I think you're possibly looking at things the wrong way. These products are part of a new collection were developed side-by-side, designed to work together from day one. Anyone who's tried an existing RHA product will likely say that they don't need an amp, so if we'd launched an amp without a headphone that really benefits from it, it would be a bit odd. Similarly, if we'd launched the headphones that need amping without an amp to drive them, it would be a bit odd. That said, the two IEMs will happily run from a good range of amps made by other companies.


The IEMs specifically have the impedance they do because of performance. Our engineers were working on wideband dynamic drivers and found that a config with higher impedance allows them to get better control over the higher frequencies in the extended response. At the same time. they were working on the ceramic driver, and the two techs compliment each other very nicely - piezo drivers have very high impedance, a standard dynamic alongside one wouldn't work very well. The full wideband version of the CL Dynamic went into the CL750, and a slightly adjusted version went into the CL1 Ceramic to work with the ceramic plate driver.
 
Some quickfire responses to some of the other questions:
 
Mini XLR - We tried a lot of different balanced options for the product and settled on Mini XLR because it's small, keeps all the poles separated and is durable. We know, there are lots of standards within balanced, and we're not trying to make the situation any more complicated, but we really felt that Mini XLR has lots of positives and few drawbacks. We'll be offering a range of cables and adapters of our own, and working with cable makers to ensure that there are third party options for anyone looking for an alternative.
 
sMMCX - It's a version of MMCX our engineers developed to be slightly slimmer and also more secure, so in a sense, it is proprietary. Much like the above, we weren't super happy with standard offerings in terms of capabilities and durability, and we will be making the spec available to third parties.
 
Input/output covers - This is something I've spoken to our guys about today and we're going to start looking into it to see if there's something we can do to go with the planned L1 case.
 
Naming - Dacamp is actually a trademark of RHA, which is cool, and L1 is the model number, that's all I'll say for now on those. I'm hoping someone will figure out where we (partially) got the CL Series name from...
 
Battery life - Up to ten hours is via the 3.5mm, but in testing, gain settings and balanced out aren't hugely influential on battery life.
 
Keep'em coming, and we'll try our best to get replies up regularly.
 
Aug 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM Post #102 of 515
  Hello!
 
Right, let's address the big one that came earlier in the thread. Why are we doing 150 ohm IEMs?
 
To those who said we're just using them to help sell Dacamp units, I think you're possibly looking at things the wrong way. These products are part of a new collection were developed side-by-side, designed to work together from day one. Anyone who's tried an existing RHA product will likely say that they don't need an amp, so if we'd launched an amp without a headphone that really benefits from it, it would be a bit odd. Similarly, if we'd launched the headphones that need amping without an amp to drive them, it would be a bit odd. That said, the two IEMs will happily run from a good range of amps made by other companies.


The IEMs specifically have the impedance they do because of performance. Our engineers were working on wideband dynamic drivers and found that a config with higher impedance allows them to get better control over the higher frequencies in the extended response. At the same time. they were working on the ceramic driver, and the two techs compliment each other very nicely - piezo drivers have very high impedance, a standard dynamic alongside one wouldn't work very well. The full wideband version of the CL Dynamic went into the CL750, and a slightly adjusted version went into the CL1 Ceramic to work with the ceramic plate driver.
 
Some quickfire responses to some of the other questions:
 
Mini XLR - We tried a lot of different balanced options for the product and settled on Mini XLR because it's small, keeps all the poles separated and is durable. We know, there are lots of standards within balanced, and we're not trying to make the situation any more complicated, but we really felt that Mini XLR has lots of positives and few drawbacks. We'll be offering a range of cables and adapters of our own, and working with cable makers to ensure that there are third party options for anyone looking for an alternative.
 
sMMCX - It's a version of MMCX our engineers developed to be slightly slimmer and also more secure, so in a sense, it is proprietary. Much like the above, we weren't super happy with standard offerings in terms of capabilities and durability, and we will be making the spec available to third parties.
 
Input/output covers - This is something I've spoken to our guys about today and we're going to start looking into it to see if there's something we can do to go with the planned L1 case.
 
Naming - Dacamp is actually a trademark of RHA, which is cool, and L1 is the model number, that's all I'll say for now on those. I'm hoping someone will figure out where we (partially) got the CL Series name from...
 
Battery life - Up to ten hours is via the 3.5mm, but in testing, gain settings and balanced out aren't hugely influential on battery life.
 
Keep'em coming, and we'll try our best to get replies up regularly.


based on your r&d, is the iem sensitive to different materials of cable? what is the composite material of the stock cable? i understand dedicated cable companies can produce better cables. wouldnt making proprietary cables limit the choice for upgrade and enhancement?
cheers!
 
Aug 29, 2016 at 2:01 PM Post #103 of 515
Hello!

Right, let's address the big one that came earlier in the thread. Why are we doing 150 ohm IEMs?

To those who said we're just using them to help sell Dacamp units, I think you're possibly looking at things the wrong way. These products are part of a new collection were developed side-by-side, designed to work together from day one. Anyone who's tried an existing RHA product will likely say that they don't need an amp, so if we'd launched an amp without a headphone that really benefits from it, it would be a bit odd. Similarly, if we'd launched the headphones that need amping without an amp to drive them, it would be a bit odd. That said, the two IEMs will happily run from a good range of amps made by other companies.



The IEMs specifically have the impedance they do because of performance. Our engineers were working on wideband dynamic drivers and found that a config with higher impedance allows them to get better control over the higher frequencies in the extended response. At the same time. they were working on the ceramic driver, and the two techs compliment each other very nicely - piezo drivers have very high impedance, a standard dynamic alongside one wouldn't work very well. The full wideband version of the CL Dynamic went into the CL750, and a slightly adjusted version went into the CL1 Ceramic to work with the ceramic plate driver.

Some quickfire responses to some of the other questions:

Mini XLR - We tried a lot of different balanced options for the product and settled on Mini XLR because it's small, keeps all the poles separated and is durable. We know, there are lots of standards within balanced, and we're not trying to make the situation any more complicated, but we really felt that Mini XLR has lots of positives and few drawbacks. We'll be offering a range of cables and adapters of our own, and working with cable makers to ensure that there are third party options for anyone looking for an alternative.

sMMCX - It's a version of MMCX our engineers developed to be slightly slimmer and also more secure, so in a sense, it is proprietary. Much like the above, we weren't super happy with standard offerings in terms of capabilities and durability, and we will be making the spec available to third parties.

Input/output covers - This is something I've spoken to our guys about today and we're going to start looking into it to see if there's something we can do to go with the planned L1 case.

Naming - Dacamp is actually a trademark of RHA, which is cool, and L1 is the model number, that's all I'll say for now on those. I'm hoping someone will figure out where we (partially) got the CL Series name from...

Battery life - Up to ten hours is via the 3.5mm, but in testing, gain settings and balanced out aren't hugely influential on battery life.

Keep'em coming, and we'll try our best to get replies up regularly.

Thanks for the response! I just have one very serious questions at this point. Can you sell me the CL1 and Dacamp L1 right now? I've spent countless hours justifying the purchase of both products and I no longer have the mental energy to wait until the release date. I think it's the least you could do. I thank you in advance for your cooperation :)
 
Aug 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM Post #105 of 515
It might be more of a novelty to some but I'm also really excited about the treble and bass attenuation knobs. On my HA-2, the bass boost works magic on my PM-2's and Noble Savannas. It's pretty much useless for the rest of my gear so having that added control over over high and low frequencies, essentially giving you a 3-band eq, could prove very useful.
 

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