iFi iPurifier 2 - Reviews, Impressions and Discussion Thread
Sep 1, 2018 at 3:09 PM Post #571 of 592
How do you know that whatever that you're hearing is not a sign of added distortions and/or noise? Like I said, these arguments lead nowhere.

How do you know that gravity exists? It's invisible, can't be quantified (according to science) and out of the "laws of attraction" remains a merely a theory yet is accepted to be true because we experience it every day, without question. Do you accept gravity? Like you said these arguments lead nowhere. It's called faith. Believe it or not, and move on eh?

Why not get an iPurifier3 sent to you? iFi is awesome with letting you try before you buy. Stop overthinking and start listening!


My final rant on the matter:

I would NEVER recommend any product if I did not whole heartedly believe in it's functionality, and what I am about to say is fact: When Lawrence at iFi contacted me in reviewing the newly released micro iTube2 (AMAZING pre-amp that will never be unchained from my system) there was a snag. Because of the overwhelming popularity of the original iTube, the successor literally flew off the shelves at a rate faster than iFi anticipated, so I was asked if there was something else I'd like to try/review while I wait; Isn't that awesome?! Anyway, I decided on the iPurifier2 solely for the reason that I was sceptical of iFi's claims (don't make me search through the archived messages and post a screen shot of the conversation, because I will). I am not a numbers guy, nor do I believe any advertising jargon I read on web pages or boxes. The proof is in the pudding, and if I have not tasted it, in my mind it is simply hearsay. In life I am a sceptic/critic, and will argue with logic and critical thought until I am blue in the face. The only thing that will shut me up is when I experience something first hand. And just to note, I never post without having (at the very least some) hands on experience. That's not cool. Nor would I staunchly defend a product without having extensive experience (like owning something and using it daily for almost 2 years). Call it subjective, but I don't do subjective. It's all black and white to me because the grey in the middle is nothing more than opinions, and we all know what they say about people's opinions... anyway...

My computer's motherboard model is 2nd from the top model, my PSU has been benchmarked and shown to provide very clean power with little ripple, my iDAC is on it's own USB bus and has a split cable with ferrite chokes on every lead while providing USB power from a power strip that has EMI/RFI protection and active noice cancelling up to -45dB. How could the iPurifier provide ANY significant improvement over my own methods? Well, it does. Period. Read my review (if you haven't already) and take it as fact. The iPurifier works, as advertised, no BS or snake oil! I hear the improvements to transparency whether it is a $2 Sharkoon DAC, my own micro iDAC, or the Sennheiser HDV820.

It's called invisible grain; You don't hear it until you don't hear it!


A-a-a-n-n-n-d... there it is.

Is that snark? What @technobear said is absolutely factual and a valid statement to make. I know people who can't hear the difference between a 128kbs MP3 and a lossless AIFF. I know people who can't hear any difference between my 6th gen iPod touch and my iPod (5th gen non Classic model with a Wolfson DAC). I also know people who will either purchase or rate a product highly based on mere numbers and not actual real world use (s/n r is a good example of such). I have a piece of tinfoil up against my WiFi cable internet hub because the 5 Ghz dual band signal can be heard through both my headphones and speakers; I am the only one that hears it. Even at work I heard one of the LCD monitors capacitors dying (amongst a dozen people working/talking and multiple radios) yet the IT department, when unmounted and brought into their quiet work area, could not hear what I was describing, even when I put my finger up to the spot where the sound is most prevalent and their ears right up against the back panel! (for the record, the beige 15 year old NEC LCD died less than 2 weeks later).

People both hear and process sound differently.

:metal::sunglasses:
 
Sep 1, 2018 at 4:05 PM Post #572 of 592
How do you know that gravity exists? It's invisible, can't be quantified (according to science) and out of the "laws of attraction" remains a merely a theory yet is accepted to be true because we experience it every day, without question. Do you accept gravity? Like you said these arguments lead nowhere. It's called faith. Believe it or not, and move on eh?

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Is that snark?

Gravity can be measured, the science of which is called Gravimetry.

And, yes, that was a snarky comment. The universal, end-game response by subjectivists is always the same: just use your ears and if you can't hear the difference, you are an inexperienced listener, have tin ears, and/or you have non-resolving gear.

I will share an anecdote, with respect to the iPurifier2. I have two of them: one connect to my Sony PHA-3 (work rig) and one (was) connected to my home setup, which is a Bel Canto DAC.

The second one, I removed, as I am convinced the Bel Canto REFLink doesn't need it. I can't hear any difference with it in or out. I also worry that leaving it place might actually add something negative to signal, but it probably doesn't.

The former is interesting w/ the PHA-3. I used to have a iUSB 3.0 Nano connected between my Mac Book Retina and the PHA-3. After a few months, I decided to move the iUSB 3.0 Nano back home, replacing it with an iPurifier 2. When I changed out the 3.0 for the iP2, I really thought I heard a noticeable difference in sound. I do wonder if that was due to the cleaned power supply (i.e. I was using the USB power port to charge/run the PHA-3).

I was surprised, to be honest. But, I stuck with the iP2 and left it in for months. Today, when I remove/replace the iP2, I can't discern any difference in the sound. I've left it in the chain with the PHA-3, but am convinced that it does nothing with that DAC/amp.

Finally, I don't see how an asynchronous USB signal can cause changes in perceived audio, as in the usual subjective glossary: "more air between the instruments", "more bass slam", "precise separation of instruments"...

Maybe if you have bad USB ports and/or a USB bus that is shared with noisy devices, it does something to mitigate clicks/pops/dropouts. I've taken the trouble to use the right-hand USB 3.0 port on my laptop that I know is best for DAC connections, as it is NOT shared with anything that is active/in-use.
 
Sep 1, 2018 at 6:50 PM Post #573 of 592
Now wouldn't you like to know our secret sauce, would you:L3000:?

It's not about single components per se but what one does with them. As an engineer you probably know this.



The description of what makes our iPurifiers exceptional is to be found at http://www.ifi-audio.com/



Then please don't do that. To us the proof that we did our job right is a generous number of satisfied customers. Some of them early on were very skeptical about what we do, but gave our USB products a go and are happy. If you're not, we can't please everyone. We try though, we really do!



We've introduced our tech already and we implement it wherever we can, please take a look at other USB components by us. The same things we do in a number of products.



They are. Some DACs are more immune than others, but vast majority can be improved.

I don't hear a difference except a few times I got a momentary drop out which might or might not have been due to the iP3. But you got me already because I am simply too lazy to return it and will just leave it plugged in unless the drop-outs become symptomatic. I took a chance on one of your cheaper products and whatever, hopefully your pricier packages actually lead to better sound for other's sake. Selling snake oil is still a legitimate way to make a living. Cheers
 
Sep 1, 2018 at 8:13 PM Post #574 of 592
I don't hear a difference except a few times I got a momentary drop out which might or might not have been due to the iP3. But you got me already because I am simply too lazy to return it and will just leave it plugged in unless the drop-outs become symptomatic.

We've never claimed that our products net audible improvement in each and every case out there. Still, "Try it before you buy it" is our policy and we always encourage our customers to follow accordingly. If once in a while someone reports us that one of our goods didn't work as expected, we take it on the chin.

Selling snake oil is still a legitimate way to make a living. Cheers

We understand that our product didn't do well in your setup. But to label it as a snake oil is not factual.
 
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Sep 6, 2018 at 2:44 PM Post #575 of 592
We've never claimed that our products net audible improvement in each and every case out there. Still, "Try it before you buy it" is our policy and we always encourage our customers to follow accordingly. If once in a while someone reports us that one of our goods didn't work as expected, we take it on the chin.



We understand that our product didn't do well in your setup. But to label it as a snake oil is not factual.

Fair enough... factually you're right it isn't actually oil at all.
 
Sep 16, 2018 at 5:42 PM Post #576 of 592
So, I am not reading through this crap storm but I did pick up two AC iPurifiers. I have one in between the DAC an Amp on a Furman PS8-D strip (solid tank like piece by the way) and one on the wall (PS Audio Classic Outlet). Yes, I like tweeks and yes I like these. I have tried several wall wart style filters (including some more expensive bits from Shunyata and Nordost) in the past and I like these the best. ifi gear design and build is top notch. These have a cool light on top and each box has a sticker inside.
 
Sep 21, 2018 at 5:30 PM Post #577 of 592
Folks, this:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bigger-bolder-better-the-new-amr.889437/

...and this:

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If you're nearby, please do visit us. The place is easy to find, right between food and beverages:ksc75smile:
 
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Sep 29, 2018 at 2:28 AM Post #578 of 592
Anyone try the ipurifier 2 or 3 on a denafrips dac? Using it right now with my terminator to see if I gain any SQ.
 
Oct 1, 2018 at 4:08 PM Post #579 of 592
Anyone try the ipurifier 2 or 3 on a denafrips dac? Using it right now with my terminator to see if I gain any SQ.

We haven't, lots of good words we've seen about Denafrips though. If you find anything interesting, please feel free to share with us!
 
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Oct 2, 2018 at 1:46 AM Post #580 of 592
We haven't, lots of good words we've seen about Denafrips though. If you find anything interesting, please feel free to share with us!

Just comparing numerous times (ipurifier 2 vs none, the whole time using mercury 3.0 cable) Nicholas gunn - Verbena Haven, especially the intro my ipurifier 2 gives a clear substantial boost in performance, probably at least 10%. The background is blacker, there is an expansion of the soundstage especially in the depth... microdetails are more clear. I am impressed so far!
 
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Oct 2, 2018 at 4:02 PM Post #581 of 592
Just comparing numerous times (ipurifier 2 vs none, the whole time using mercury 3.0 cable) Nicholas gunn - Verbena Haven, especially the intro my ipurifier 2 gives a clear substantial boost in performance, probably at least 10%. The background is blacker, there is an expansion of the soundstage especially in the depth... microdetails are more clear. I am impressed so far!

Good to know!
 
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Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 AM Post #582 of 592
Hello to everyone,

I recently purchased a second hand Ifi ipurifier 2 that i am still struggling with . First time I plugged my audioengine D1 dac , I had latency issues for real time data flow but after i updated my wlan adapter driver, i resolved this issue but unfortunately this time I have this problem:
whatever the source is, YouTube, foobar, jriver ipurifier quits working after 60 seconds I plug in, Green Led turns off leaving the blue one alone. When it functions , sound quality is ok it makes a high pitch tone is heard at the time it quits working , I tried the unit with 2 different laptops and an Android smart Phone with no luck. My dac is Fine on itself.
Here is my setup :
Win7 sp2 asus laptop or Win 10 dell 7240 >>>35 cm usb cable(supplied with dac) >>>ipurifier 2 >>>>audioengine D1 dac


I already have a ticket opened at ifi technical support.
It seems to be ipurifier is not getting well along with audioengine dac or the unit itself is defective

Any ideas for diagnosis ?

thanks a lot.
 
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Oct 26, 2018 at 7:06 PM Post #583 of 592
Hello to everyone,

I recently purchased a second hand Ifi ipurifier 2 that i am still struggling with . First time I plugged my audioengine D1 dac , I had latency issues for real time data flow but after i updated my wlan adapter driver, i resolved this issue but unfortunately this time I have this problem:
whatever the source is, YouTube, foobar, jriver ipurifier quits working after 60 seconds I plug in, Green Led turns off leaving the blue one alone. When it functions , sound quality is ok it makes a high pitch tone is heard at the time it quits working , I tried the unit with 2 different laptops and an Android smart Phone with no luck. My dac is Fine on itself.
Here is my setup :
Win7 sp2 asus laptop or Win 10 dell 7240 >>>35 cm usb cable(supplied with dac) >>>ipurifier 2 >>>>audioengine D1 dac


I already have a ticket opened at ifi technical support.
It seems to be ipurifier is not getting well along with audioengine dac or the unit itself is defective

Any ideas for diagnosis ?

thanks a lot.

doesn't really help the sound, suggest just throwing it away.
 
Oct 26, 2018 at 9:12 PM Post #584 of 592
Hello to everyone,

I recently purchased a second hand Ifi ipurifier 2 that i am still struggling with . First time I plugged my audioengine D1 dac , I had latency issues for real time data flow but after i updated my wlan adapter driver, i resolved this issue but unfortunately this time I have this problem:
whatever the source is, YouTube, foobar, jriver ipurifier quits working after 60 seconds I plug in, Green Led turns off leaving the blue one alone. When it functions , sound quality is ok it makes a high pitch tone is heard at the time it quits working , I tried the unit with 2 different laptops and an Android smart Phone with no luck. My dac is Fine on itself.
Here is my setup :
Win7 sp2 asus laptop or Win 10 dell 7240 >>>35 cm usb cable(supplied with dac) >>>ipurifier 2 >>>>audioengine D1 dac


I already have a ticket opened at ifi technical support.
It seems to be ipurifier is not getting well along with audioengine dac or the unit itself is defective

Any ideas for diagnosis ?

thanks a lot.


Sounds like the unit is faulty. From a cheap 16/44 $2 Dollar Store DAC to the Sennheiser HDV820, I experienced no latency issues nor did I hear any noise coming from my iPurifier2. The only times I ever had USB connectivity issues, such as the iPurifier2 turning off, was when I has a dead USB3 header (unknown to me) plugged into the motherboard. In fact, it was the iPurifier2's spastic issues (followed by my keyboard) that alerted me to a potential issue with my USB. In other words, it's been solid.

If the unit is still under warranty (and iFi honours transfer of ownership) I would get a replacement. Heck, I would just toss it and get the iPurifier3. In all honesty, it's like iFi jumped 2 versions as the iPurifier3 is a vast improvement over the iPurifier2.
 

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