steffanan
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oh boy, I could tell from the title of this thread that it was going to go back and forth.
I've had an SR-60, SR-325i, and PS500.
Personally, all Grados or at least the ones I've heard are bright to a degree. SR-325i's are extremely bright and I sold them as fast as I could since I could not sit through most songs using the 325i. SR-60s are less bright in comparison.
PS500(which has similar FR to HF-2s) are the darkest sounding Grados, but they still slightly bright.
If you look at the Data Sheets on Innerfidelity, it'll all make sense. The FR of highs of the Grado Reference series are very similar. They all have a peak at 2Khz and 10Khz with the 10Khz peak increasing in amplitude when you go up from SR60 to SR325i. The 325i has a very high 10Khz peak and a very high 3rd peak at 4.5Khz. This is just ear rape.
The PS500's 2K peak is almost level when compared to the mids. It also has a bumped up mid bass as well as having a 10khz peak similar to the SR60 to SR125. The SR225i and SR325i both have that nasty 10khz peak, but the SR225i does not have the 4.5khz peak the 325i has.
whew I'm still trying to understand and learn about measurements, but it's really interesting to see how measurements match your subjective impressions
See I don't really think Grado's are only good for rock. They are good for whenever you need some bass down low, decent mids, and you want to inject some energy into that top end. I'd recommend choosing the lower end of the reference series SR60/SR125. It's counter-intuitive, but I like the bottom end of the reference series better than the top end of the reference series. You could also look at the mid-fi Grados - PS500, HF-2, etc. RS1/RS2 measure similar to the 325is, so I'd stay away. I would also stay away from the top end of the current Grado lineup.
I think the bigger question is, will you be able to stand the comfort? I've seen a lot of people sell their Grados only because of the mesh rubbing against their ears. Personally, I don't mind at all, but comfort is also a big factor with Grados.
In my limited experience, comfort is the biggest negative factor of the SR325. I also find the fit to be sloppy (if that's a good word for it.)
In my limited experience, comfort is the biggest negative factor of the SR325. I also find the fit to be sloppy (if that's a good word for it.)
Have you actually heard any of these?
And the Reference Series comprise the RS-1 and RS-2.
Same story goes for the other Grados, unless they have comfy pads (which I really don't like). The only pads I use are the Bowl pads and to further improve them, I reversed them so contact with the mesh is limited. Also, minor sonic improvements. Well it's difficult to say that Grados are truly universally fitting. The pads are fairly small and people with larger ears will feel like more of an supra-aural while people with smaller ears will feel like... crap because the entire ear is rubbing against the mesh
Comfort is the biggest negative for any Grado with small foam cups. You need a head made of stone to be able to stand the headphones for long. I've heard that the Big cups on GS1000/PS1000 are very comfortable. Still, don't expect the Grado foam cups to last. These Foam cups disintergrate after a couple of years, better to buy some aftermarket cups.
Ah yes, the RS-1 RS-2 are indeed part of reference series, but I usually don't loop them in with the SR60 through SR325i. I consider them part of the mid-fi Grado lineup, which is a more
appropriate category for them. As for have I ever heard the RS-1 and RS-2? No, I'll tell you that honestly. I'm sure there are sonic characteristics that make RS-1/2 likeable by some people.
But, they have the exact same if not worse high end FR as the 325is, which I couldn't stand. Do headphones that have horrid objective measurements mean they sound bad? No, not always because some people will always like some headphones subjectively no matter how badly the headphones measure objectively (cough cough Beats). Do the RS-1/RS-2 measure bad? No, they really aren't that bad, but after comparing my subjective listening experience with objective measurements on the SR60, SR325i, and PS500 I have a pretty good idea regarding what'll turn me off in the Grado lineup. Don't take my word for it though, always listen for yourself and decide.
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[...]Ah yes, the RS-1 RS-2 are indeed part of reference series, but I usually don't loop them in with the SR60 through SR325i. I consider them part of the mid-fi Grado lineup, which is a more appropriate category for them. As for have I ever heard the RS-1 and RS-2? No, I'll tell you that honestly.
After finding some of your other posts, it's becoming apparent that you're an open (if not vehement) critic of Grado Labs (you've started at least one "bashing" thread that I could find (http://www.head-fi.org/t/652056/headphone-manufacturers-that-give-the-worst-diminishing-returns-as-you-go-down-their-product-line for anyone interested));
I'd agree with both of your posts. Just for my own clarification though, you mean the white/pink part of the headphone, not the METAL mesh on the outside, right? (The fact that I even need to ask this should tell you the kinds of things I've heard about people doing...)
Anyways, I have a fairly big head, and fairly big ears, and wearing the RS-1 for long periods of time isn't really a problem for me - the lighter models are more comfortable (the RS-1 is one of the lightest, the SR-325 is one of the heaviest).
After finding some of your other posts, it's becoming apparent that you're an open (if not vehement) critic of Grado Labs (you've started at least one "bashing" thread that I could find (http://www.head-fi.org/t/652056/headphone-manufacturers-that-give-the-worst-diminishing-returns-as-you-go-down-their-product-line for anyone interested)); most of what you've written in the above quoted post is either inaccurate or exaggerated for effect as well (I'm also still unclear as to why you keep talking about equipment with which you have no experience - it's generally considered bad form). Yes, some of it is semantics, some of it is petty, but I still can't escape feeling like you're building up a bogey-man where one doesn't need to exist.(And because it bothers me, the Reference Series (note the camel case) only includes the RS-1 and RS-2; nothing else - they were flagship offerings for almost a decade).
I'll add that your claims regarding "objective measurements" (could you provide the specific measurements you're talking about as well - just for clarification; it does us no good to have you mention them, and not provide them), do not agree with published data from HeadRoom:
He&Bi:
http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/sr-60.html
http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/sr-325i.html
http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/rs-1.html
Or InnerFidelity:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR60i.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR325i.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoRS1.pdf
Similar? Yes. Exact same? No. The measurements there indicate three different sounding, and different performing, headphones. Whether or not someone will like them is up to the listener, as there's also no "objectively good" or "objectively bad" - that isn't how measurements work (they are, by nature, meant to be free of bias and therefore value judgment (which is why they're objective)). "Good" or "bad" is a function of interpretation, and requires a subjective reference. Data like the above is helpful in interpreting or quantifying our experiences, but accurate prediction is much harder.
Do you not see the upper-mids/highs on all three Headphones on The Headroom Graph you provided? 3 Giant peaks past 1khz. Do you not see all three headphones are similar in that regard?
If that is not bright as mentioned in the title of this thread, then I don't know what bright is.
Of course I feel some anger towards Grado.