[ineztia]

Just wonder if it’s worth $3K more than the Benchmark AHB2?

No I don't think so, The fact is, you usually receive only 5% improvements when you pay 100% extra money, that's HIFI lol.

 

[jlbrach]

we pay a lot of money for marginal improvements...if you have the money it is well worth it if you do not have the money you rationalize how it isnt worth it lol

 

[Matez]

No I don't think so, The fact is, you usually receive only 5% improvements when you pay 100% extra money, that's HIFI lol.

I agree in most cases, but that Accuphase with Susvara cans might be different. I'm only guessing, but this integrated amp might actually enable some things beyond reach of headphone amps with lesser power on tap. I'm too busy to try my own Susvara with regular stereo amps I have, but I don't exclude possibility of substantial gains.

 

[iFi audio]

if you have the money it is well worth it if you do not have the money you rationalize how it isnt worth it lol

... and still at the end of the day it's worth it

 

[George Hincapie]

I have received a set of Susvara's as well for review purposes for Mono and Stereo. I haven't finished the review yet as I have been waiting and waiting for them to fully stabilise. Mine now have 325 hours on them. I liked them so much that I purchased my pair.

I have all of the top flight Headphones except for the Abyss Phi - My Abyss have been sent back for upgrade. However in my view the 2 Headphones do not really sit in the same category. The Abyss in my view is a more specialised Headphone to be used when I can afford to do nothing else but listen. I have my Headphone rig setup in my office you see.

When getting a feel on a Headphone I like to play with them for a while, in this case six weeks before I say anything about them. It also gives me a chance to reflect on how much listening I have done with that Headphone and if it has changed my listening habits, in other words, have I felt the need to listen to another Headphone and am I listening more and for longer sessions.

The answer in the Susvara's case is an unequal yes on both counts. I have not listened to any of my other Headphones and my listening sessions have extended considerably. This has now become my default favourite Headphone.

The previous review covered the packaging and I can only agree and say that I have not experienced the same level of attention to detail with the packaging with any other Headphone. It truly is an experience unboxing the Susvara's.

The review system is as follows:

Aurender W20 source with its internal clocks slaved to the Femto 33 clock in the DAC which is a MSB Select II, with the Femto 33 clock upgrade and the AES 110 ohm signal module which also incorporates the 75 ohm BNC Word Clock which has a bayonet twist lock fitting. The Select DAC is running dual power supplies as in two seperate power supplies in place of the standard single Power Supply which has individual seperate power outlets. The dual power supply option has one power outlet for each unit. The dual power supply option I was unsure about as it does add considerable expense - however it is worth every penny as it the femto 33 Clock. I use the AES 110 ohm digital connection in place of USB for its SQ benefits.

Given that the Susvara's are very inefficient 83dB at 60 ohms you will be needing a powerful amplifier to dive them properly. I cannot overstate the importance of supplying the Susvara's with enough high quality power. Amplifiers are custom built Woo 234 mono's. There are a variety of options with the 234 of how to drive Headphones, you are able to select High or Low impedance as well Cathode or Plate power. Every other Headphone I have runs fine using the lowest power setting Cathode-LO-Z. I tried this with the Susvara's and immediately was greeted with distortion and clipping at high volume. Hmm so in went the Plate-LO-Z output key. This has proved to be more than sufficient. The 234's are not only powerful amps they also supply plenty of current driving abilities.

Valves were split between the new KR HP 300B Balloon and the KR HP 274B Rectifier, the driver tube my favourite Tung Sol Round Plate 1940's vintage with Oval Mica's. I am highly impressed with the new KR HP valves and strongly recommend them. They have excellent detail, good bass and are musically satisfying. The 2nd round of Tubes I am currently using are the new production Elrog 300B and Takatsuki 274B rectifier again with the TSRP 6SN7 driver tube.

My Woo 234's have ben modified to allow for the use of an external pre-amp on one of the two RCA inputs. This is single ended amplifier. I used the Single ended output module from the Select DAC as the volume control. The gain having been pre-set by Woo at its maximum. Significant care needs to be taken with this arrangement for all the obvious reasons. However it allows for the volume controls to be completely bypassed no doubt adding to the excellent Sound Quality.

The system sits on an HRS SXR stand with MX3R isolation bases, Vortex footers and power is supplied by a dedicated line feeding Shunyata Triton and Typhon with Sigma Power Cables.

Okay, so thats the summary of the review system dealt with I will include a photo.

Listening impressions:

Initially I tried using the Susvara's stock cables and decided to flip over to my preferred Headphone cable the DHC Prion4S with the Lemo adapter system so fortunately I had the right adapter as the Susvara's use the same 2.5mm Jack as the HE-1000 series. This has always been an issue as over time I find that the Jack connector weakens and then fails eventually. I feel strongly that for this kind of money HIFIMan should have come up with a better connector such as the excellent Focal Utopia's Lemo connectors. While I am on my connector rant, its high time the industry standardised and agreed upon a default connector such as the widely acclaimed Lemo's. They cannot come apart and will probably outlets the Headphone they are attached to, not to mention the Electrical benefits of such a sturdy connector.

Out of the box I was impressed with the Susvara's build quality and initially the Susvara's sound was a little edgy and clearly not yet fully developed. These was enough promise however to excite me as to further potential. The sound has excellent detail at times it can be quite startlingly. The bass is strong and superior to the Focal Utopia's and the LCD-4's, it does not have the heft of the Abyss but it is dynamic and fast and it goes deep. The soundstage is excellent rejecting an image just in front of my ears. I find the best listening point to be with my ears just off the rear of the ear-pads. I am sure this will be the subject of debate and YMMV. I have recently been listening to a variety of Movie Soundtracks.

Sicario: For its excellent depth and weight,
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword for its dynamic driving pulsations, speed and the complexity of the mixes.
Bach Cello Suite No.1 is sublime, the leading edge of the Cello and again the weight and detailed complexity of the Celloist's skill shines through in perfect timing.
Eva Cassidy: - What a wonderful world, this is a surprisingly difficult track to get right, the Susvara's sail through it and as its one of my wife's favourite tracks she exclaimed after how much she had enjoyed it and she felt this was the best rendition of it so far.
Vide Cor Meum: The Susvara's exceptionally lightweight driver allowing the Choir to raise the tempo high with seemingly little to no effort.
Kothbiro: From the Constant Gardener another excellent piece where the Susvara 's can really show off their speed and musicality.

Summary:
If you have the requisite funds to purchase this headphone AND have an amplifier power enough to drive them with ease they will not disappoint. I am not going to get into a price/value debate as that has been hotly discussed ad nauseam on this site and others. If you are demoing the Susvara's make sure they have had at least 150 hours on them (as is recommended in the informative manual) and that the dealer gives you more than adequate time to evaluate them for yourself preferably in your own system.

For me the Susvara's are the best sounding headphone I have heard and I find I thoroughly enjoy them everyday. To me that tells the story.

To Edwood - I hope that you do not take any offence at my musings. With at least 2 or 3 other threads I thought it best to post my impressions here.

That rack is stunning. What is it please?

 

[iFi audio]

What is it please?

Made by HRS, not quite affordable

 

[Matez]

Made by HRS, not quite affordable

Yeah, for their reference line money one could buy himself a very nice audio setup or a car. But hey, that's audio. Not particularly sane hobby to have

 

[astrostar59]

Stacore, best racks I ever saw.....

 

[ineztia]

The "FM Acoustics 711"

When I was having a good time with my Accuphase E480 a few weeks ago, I felt it was the best sound I've ever heard from Susvara (see the previous post here). "Spaciousness", "Energetic", "Noble treble" and "Smooth" would be the words to state my initial impression.

I was thinking that it's enough, I wasn't expecting to hear any significant improvements even if I spend twice or 3-times more money on further expensive gears.

Everything goes fine, until recently, I had a chance to audition a monster amp to complete my comparison. The FM Acoustics 711 ($60K MSRP, based on exchange rates, 10 times than my Accuphase). It's a 250W (@8ohms) power amp, I connect my Accuphase E480 as a pre (sorry I don't own a suited FM preamp). When music begins to flow, I realize that miracle just happens.

Treble: Although E480's treble is smooth and elegant, 711's treble provides much more "texture". Think you are viewing a segment of curve from a distance, through the vision of E480, it is smooth, linear. But 711 lets you touch it, then you are able to feel the grains, layers, micro structures on that curve. And that's the original image as it should be that you've never discovered. It makes you believe E480's sound is somewhat contrived and over refined.

Mid: Though I'm satisfied with E480's presentation, 711's midrange is notably more thicker, fuller, vocals are more focused and appealing.

Bass: It's another level bass performance!! Think the bass from HP amps sound like "boo", E480 is "boom", and 711 would be "boom~MM", the bass has class-leading resolution and control, it's also deep, full of authority.

The overall feeling: when you first listen to 711, it will not surprise you immediately, no particular characteristics are emphasized on 711, it's extremely neutral and balanced, it does not "perform" the music, but "delivers" the original sounds to your ears.

Does 711 worth that much money ? It depends on you. Suppose that on every aspects (treble, mid, bass, transients, dynamics, layering, etc...) 711 sounds 10%~20% better than E480, when these effects stacks, it's indeed huge difference.

 

[tunes]

The "FM Acoustics 711"

When I was having a good time with my Accuphase E480 a few weeks ago, I felt it was the best sound I've ever heard from Susvara(see the previous post here). "Spaciousness", "Energetic", "Noble treble" and "Smooth" would be the words to state my first impression.

I was thinking that it's enough, I won't expect hearing any significant improvements even if spending twice or 3-times more money on further expensive gears.

Everything goes fine, until recently, I had a chance to audition a monster amp to complete my comparison. The FM Acoustics 711 ($60K MSRP, based on exchange rates, 10 times than my Accuphase). It's a 250W (@8ohms) power amp, I connect my Accuphase E480 as a pre (sorry I don't own a suited FM preamp). When music begins to flow, I realized that miracle happens everywhere.

Treble: Although E480's treble is smooth and elegant, 711's treble provides much more "texture". Think you are viewing a segment of curve from a distance, through the vision of E480, it is smooth, linear. But 711 lets you touch it, then you are able to feel the grains, layers, micro structures on that curve. And that's the original image as it should be that you've never discovered. It makes you believe E480's sound is somewhat contrived and over refined.

Mid: I'm very satisfied with E480's presetation, however 711's midrange is notably more thicker, fuller, vocals are more focused and appealing.

Bass: It's another level bass performance!! Think the bass from an HP amp sounds like "boo", E480 is "boom", and 711 would be "boom~MM", the bass has class-leading resolution and control, and it's deep, full of authority.

The overall feeling: when you first listen to 711, it will not give you an immediate surprising sound, no particular characteristics are emphasized on 711, it's extremely neutual and balanced, it does not "perform" the music, but "delievers" the original sounds to your ears.

Does 711 worth that much money ? I don't know. Suppose on every aspects (treble, mid, bass, transients, dynamics, layering, etc...) 711 sounds 10%~20% better than E480, when these effects stacks, it's indeed huge difference.

What DAC are you using for input and how does the Abyss TC compare to Susvara with the two amps you have used for Susvara??

 

[Zhanming057]

The "FM Acoustics 711"

When I was having a good time with my Accuphase E480 a few weeks ago, I felt it was the best sound I've ever heard from Susvara (see the previous post here). "Spaciousness", "Energetic", "Noble treble" and "Smooth" would be the words to state my first impression.

I was thinking that it's enough, I won't expect hearing any significant improvements even if spending twice or 3-times more money on further expensive gears.

Everything goes fine, until recently, I had a chance to audition a monster amp to complete my comparison. The FM Acoustics 711 ($60K MSRP, based on exchange rates, 10 times than my Accuphase). It's a 250W (@8ohms) power amp, I connect my Accuphase E480 as a pre (sorry I don't own a suited FM preamp). When music begins to flow, I realized that miracle just happens.

Treble: Although E480's treble is smooth and elegant, 711's treble provides much more "texture". Think you are viewing a segment of curve from a distance, through the vision of E480, it is smooth, linear. But 711 lets you touch it, then you are able to feel the grains, layers, micro structures on that curve. And that's the original image as it should be that you've never discovered. It makes you believe E480's sound is somewhat contrived and over refined.

Mid: Though I'm satisfied with E480's presetation, 711's midrange is notably more thicker, fuller, vocals are more focused and appealing.

Bass: It's another level bass performance!! Think the bass from an HP amp sounds like "boo", E480 is "boom", and 711 would be "boom~MM", the bass has class-leading resolution and control, and it's deep, full of authority.

The overall feeling: when you first listen to 711, it will not give you an immediate surprising sound, no particular characteristics are emphasized on 711, it's extremely neutual and balanced, it does not "perform" the music, but "delievers" the original sounds to your ears.

Does 711 worth that much money ? It depends on you. Suppose that on every aspects (treble, mid, bass, transients, dynamics, layering, etc...) 711 sounds 10%~20% better than E480, when these effects stacks, it's indeed huge difference.

With those two amps you really need to try out the SR1a - that'll be able to really tax the E480

 

[ineztia]

What DAC are you using for input and how does the Abyss TC compare to Susvara with the two amps you have used for Susvara??

I've tried 3 DACs, Chord Dave / dCS Debussy / A portable all-in-one DAC(quad AKM4497 chips) engineered by CyAudio

Abyss 1266 is too heavy for me so it's not in my list. I don't have a chance to compare these 2 headphones on equal setups.

With those two amps you really need to try out the SR1a - that'll be able to really tax the E480

I went through every pages in SR1a thread, i am very curious about its performance.

 

[tunes]

I've tried 3 DACs, Chord Dave / dCS Debussy / A portable all-in-one DAC(quad AKM4497 chips) engineered by CyAudio

Abyss 1266 is too heavy for me so it's not in my list. I don't have a chance to compare these 2 headphones on equal setups.



I went through every pages in SR1a thread, i am very curious about its performance.

I wonder how the dCS Debussy compares to the CHORD DAVE WITH the HUGO Upscaler?

 

[Sonic Defender]

my girlfriend thinks i am nots but this is my personal hobby and i truly enjoy it

Clearly you make enough money to have all of those toys so you're not nuts, you are just deciding how to invest your disposable income.

 

[jlbrach]

I appreciate that, i will refer my GF to your comments lol