- Mar 19, 2017
Any gaming experiences with the Sundara?
Me too. I like their sound, but they need to continue to improve their build quality.
I own several Hifiman HPs myself and I have listened to countless numbers of them since they were introduced.
The HE1000, HE1000V2, Edition X they are all fantastic headphones, but they are not without faults.
Those planar magnetic units with large diaphragms, although capable of producing a very dynamic, extended, (slightly ripe and larger-than-life)
low-frequency response, are unfortunately incapable of extending those qualities to mids and higher frequencies.
Audeze has symmetrical magnetic assembly, and a circular diaphragm. Hifiman's reference models feature non circular, asymmetric magnetic assembly.
Many technical experts have stated that controlling this very large, non circular diaphragm at midrange and higher frequencies become exceedingly difficult in a
non-uniform magnetic field, whichinevitably leads to break up and unwanted modal resonances that I believe are quite audible at midrange and above.
I respect everyone else's opinion and if you feel that indeed it is not so, that's fine. But I cannot say that these shortcomings are not audible.
Some of the technical experts that I have talked to also mentioned that this is one of the reasons why Hifiman new reference HP (SUSVARA) is circular, and
smaller in size, and employ higher quality magnetic circuit assembly.
Again, if you feel it is not so - that's fine - I respect your opinion.
Well, I did not feel Audeze headphones have a higher quality mid and highs comparing to Hifiman headphones.
You comments make me very curious.
You are talking about faults in mids and higher frequences in HEK and HEX. But we don't know what they are. Can you clarify what kinds of faults you are talking about? Just making vague statements like some faults does not add anything.
Absolutely right, and there is a reason for it.
But I was referring to the observation that those Hifimans HPs that are based on smaller, circular membranes
sound a little more coherent and balanced across the spectrum than their reference siblings, and why some of the experts that I have talked to feel might be the reason.
If the large oval-shaped membrane is indeed superior, why is it that the new Hifiman reference (SUSVARA) is smaller in size and circular?
As I said, Headphone HiFi listening is a very personal experience and highly dependent on the transfer curve of the listener's ear.
This thread is about the truly wonderful Hifiman Sundara, not HE1000 and its iterations.
Nevertheless, I can mention that I feel the dynamism, the extension, the clarity and realism HE1000 and HE1000 V2 create at lower f's is lacking in mids and highs.
They sound less clear, more congested, slightly more confusing, less sharp and less focused on transient edges in the mids and highs, that cause loss of sound-stage
clarity and pinpoint accuracy of the images created.
Again, that is what I hear. You are certainly entitled to think otherwise.
Loss of soundstage compared to Sundara and their cheaper cousins? Come on man, you’re just making stuff up now. I own the HEK V2 and the Sennheiser 800S. The only headphone that I’ve ever heard that gets close to the Sennheiser 800/800S soundstage is the HEK. Whatever you think you’re hearing, the ONE criticism that no one has ever thrown at the HEK is that it has a small soundstage.
I own HE1000V2, Edition X, HE-4, HE-6, and Sundara myself.
I am not sharing my experiences to please you, I am writing them to describe what I heard and hear.
You feel it is not so, that is perfectly fine. Do not be disrespectful and insulting.
I’m not being disrespectful, I am telling the truth. And there are thousands on here that will say the same thing. You can prefer whatever headphone you want, but you don’t get to make stuff up on a public forum and not get called out on it.
You have a very strange attitude.
You are telling the truth? According to you?
We are sharing experiences here, and there is no need for accusing others of "making stuff up", there is no need for it here.
This forum exists to promote discussions and different opinions, to learn from others. You are obviously incapable of accepting that others might have
It sounds like you do not want to hear any criticism on something you have spent 3000 USD on. You consider it a direct insult to you.
Listen: this type of attitude does not belong in an open forum.
It is apparent that Hifiman is aiming to please reviewers like Tyll Hertsens (who has repeatedly stated that
he favors laid-back treble response) by altering the frequency response and the sonic characteristic of their headphones - which is a real pitty actually.
He didn't say he favors laid-back treble response.....
Really? Are you that certain? I have heard him say it on multiple occasions.
Just a quick search on google:
Fast forward to 08:15 and hear what he has to say...