Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[absolutnie]

Firstly not sure why you translated my Amazon link to Russian and then translated it back to English on an English only forum secondly that is totally BS that is does not work with phones.

Their App may not control the Dongle on Android (they do have one and I see it as an mistake to not add support) but then again nor does it for any of the games consoles, you set it up on a PC/Windows and move it to the other devices.

Oh! You can use BT-W6 with android phones? I thought it's just for stationary devices.. nice! That was the only thing keeping me away from it. Sorry to ask, if that's in manual or something, but how you can select codecs without the app?

 

[helmutcheese]

All their Dongles worked with phones, Creative removed the option to choose the Codec (via the button on the Dongle) after the BT-W3 as they needed that for other functions which is dumb as they could tried a bit harder as they now have 1/2/3/4 Tap options and could have added the option to the App.

The User Manuals for all their Dongles are on their website, the Dongle will simply connect to the highest Codec first so unless you can disable them on your actual earbuds App you are not going to have a choice.

 

[absolutnie]

Nice one, cheers! I'll get it then. S24 BT codecs list is just a joke and LDAC implementation/stability must be in some way degraded on purpose (or bad design)

 

[Jozurr]

All ScanSpeak

wait what speakers are these? and are they powered?

 

[dweaver]

AZ60M2 on sale for $148 at Visions Electronics in Canada. That's a decent price for that model. Tempted to see how it compares to the original model. If memory serves it was a bit warmer sounding than I prefer but was not to dark and has a great fit kit. The new model just addresses creature comfort features like auto pause and the like but essentially the same sound.

 

[C_Lindbergh]

The new TWS from Final will sport LDAC, great news for folks with Samsung devices!

 

[SilverEars]

I got the Nothing Ear. ANC is much better after the firmware update. There was hardly any ANC before that, but ANC is below avg compared to top tier ANC earphones.

Sound quality ok for BT earphone, nothing really remarkable. Bass is pretty good I say. I still don't like the highs. I think there is slight weirdness in the mids. Imaging isn't that great.

In general GB3P is technically better in terms of sound stage, separation, and generally imaging, but like I said, the highs arn't very likable personally for music engagement. I like the bass better on the Nothing Ear since it's not overbearing like the GB3P. In general pretty good bass. Highs arn't as forward as the GB3P, but still pretty forward that I find it bit much beyond I prefer and the quality is worse than GB3P.

Perhaps the limitation here is being wireless no matter what the bitrate the codec is. I don't think the bitrate is improving the SQ here. The highs on here is quite unenjoyable personally that I cannot enjoy music much. Needs to be tamed some here too, but it's not as forward as the GB3P.

I would also say that the highs arn't as clean as some earphones I've heard. In general, Nothing Ear is a step down in technicalities from the GB3P, and the highs are still too forward for my liking. I wouldn't consider these audiophile sound quality, but avg tws SQ.

The highs in general comes too foward with there too. This may give inexperienced listeners the fake impression of better SQ, but it is not.

I was expecting more when people say these actually have SQ.

 

[Not so fat head]

I got the Nothing Ear. ANC is much better after the firmware update. There was hardly any ANC before that, but ANC is below avg compared to top tier ANC earphones.

Sound quality ok for BT earphone, nothing really remarkable. Bass is pretty good I say. I still don't like the highs. I think there is slight weirdness in the mids. Imaging isn't that great.

In general GB3P is technically better in terms of sound stage, separation, and generally imaging, but like I said, the highs arn't very likable personally for music engagement. I like the bass better on the Nothing Ear since it's not overbearing like the GB3P. In general pretty good bass. Highs arn't as forward as the GB3P, but still pretty forward that I find it bit much beyond I prefer and the quality is worse than GB3P.

Perhaps the limitation here is being wireless no matter what the bitrate the codec is. I don't think the bitrate is improving the SQ here. The highs on here is quite unenjoyable personally that I cannot enjoy music much. Needs to be tamed some here too, but it's not as forward as the GB3P.

I would also say that the highs arn't as clean as some earphones I've heard. In general, Nothing Ear is a step down in technicalities from the GB3P, and the highs are still too forward for my liking. I wouldn't consider these audiophile sound quality, but avg tws SQ.

The highs in general comes too foward with there too. This may give inexperienced listeners the fake impression of better SQ, but it is not.

I was expecting more when people say these actually have SQ.

I think it’s a relative thing. I’ve been following TWS for over 5 years. I have the Bose Soundfree sports, original momentum’s, original XM’s. What I can say, there have been sound improvements, but the shrinking of the form factor, that’s where I’m more impressed

 

[SilverEars]

I got the Nothing Ear. ANC is much better after the firmware update. There was hardly any ANC before that, but ANC is below avg compared to top tier ANC earphones.

Sound quality ok for BT earphone, nothing really remarkable. Bass is pretty good I say. I still don't like the highs. I think there is slight weirdness in the mids. Imaging isn't that great.

In general GB3P is technically better in terms of sound stage, separation, and generally imaging, but like I said, the highs arn't very likable personally for music engagement. I like the bass better on the Nothing Ear since it's not overbearing like the GB3P. In general pretty good bass. Highs arn't as forward as the GB3P, but still pretty forward that I find it bit much beyond I prefer and the quality is worse than GB3P.

Perhaps the limitation here is being wireless no matter what the bitrate the codec is. I don't think the bitrate is improving the SQ here. The highs on here is quite unenjoyable personally that I cannot enjoy music much. Needs to be tamed some here too, but it's not as forward as the GB3P.

I would also say that the highs arn't as clean as some earphones I've heard. In general, Nothing Ear is a step down in technicalities from the GB3P, and the highs are still too forward for my liking. I wouldn't consider these audiophile sound quality, but avg tws SQ.

The highs in general comes too foward with there too. This may give inexperienced listeners the fake impression of better SQ, but it is not.

I was expecting more when people say these actually have SQ.

Something I'd like to add. I just went back to GB3P, and it sounds tamer in the highs now. I think it's because Nothing Ears highs are even stronger, which I find interesting. So, definitely Nothing Ears highs are even more forward, just sticks out too much IMO.

 

[SilverEars]

I think it’s a relative thing. I’ve been following TWS for over 5 years. I have the Bose Soundfree sports, original momentum’s, original XM’s. What I can say, there have been sound improvements, but the shrinking of the form factor, that’s where I’m more impressed

For sure, it's just my personal impressions. I do like Bose TWS sound personally for music enjoyment, but probably not very technical. These days I care more about enjoying the music with the gear than seeking for technicalities. Like for example, Focal Utopia can come off too much with it's treble, and music may not be enjoyable depending on the setup. With the perfect setup, it can be enjoyable.

I do like the Bose TWS, but I dislike the full sized Bose sound. Same goes for Sennheiser, I like their openback fullsized, but never been into their earphones. I feel like there are better out there that it's not worth it.

 

[SilverEars]

Just got them. SQ is definitely better than their previous iterations, and so is the ANC. The uppermids is still kinda hot. Bass is a bit much, but not in a bad way. It is too much however. Probably crowd pleasing level, not very balanced reponse.

Sound stage is improved as well. Still hot upper-mids. It's been like this for the last few iterations, they need to tame it. It would be properly balanced if the upper-mids is tamed and the bass, too overbearing for my taste.

Hot upper-mids makes these not enjoyable for me. Bass is too overbearing as well, and don't like that. It's the kinda response makes me not enjoy listening to music. I hate v-shaped reponses! Music just doens't sound enjoyable with Samsungs/AKGs. I can't stand the way they express their sound. I don't know what it is about it, it sounds too analytical.

I will see how Nothing Ear fares in comparison. I heard good things about it's call quality

I think comparing with Nothing Ear is giving me a relative idea of the performance of the GB3P, and I feel like I was a bit harsh with my first impressions of the GB3P. I think these (the GB3P) maybe the best TWS I have heard thus far. I currently don't have my Sony XM5 (which I thought was one of the best I heard at the time to compare so take this with a grain of salt. Technically, I think the GB3P is good for a TWS. I think better than their past iterations.

 

[FullCircle]

wait what speakers are these? and are they powered?

Those are called the Noble 1

2 channel studio monitors

No internal amps

 

[mainguy]

I think comparing with Nothing Ear is giving me a relative idea of the performance of the GB3P, and I feel like I was a bit harsh with my first impressions of the GB3P. I think these (the GB3P) maybe the best TWS I have heard thus far. I currently don't have my Sony XM5 (which I thought was one of the best I heard at the time to compare so take this with a grain of salt. Technically, I think the GB3P is good for a TWS. I think better than their past iterations.

Bear in mind everyone saying Nothing Ear is good (myself, posters here, DMS, that audio engineer on YT) use PEQ on them. They have very good EQ in the app.

With such a high quality EQ they beat most tws.

 

[clerkpalmer]

With such a high quality EQ they beat most tws.

"Most" or "some"? Why didn't they just tune them right the first time. Peq for tws sounds exhausting. Kinda cool they offer it but that's hardly a mainstream feature.

 

[Not so fat head]

Had an opportunity to pick up the XM5’s for under $200 at Best Buy, sale plus BB coupons. I’m going to keep them on the shelf unopened and do some more searching for bargains. Btw; your BB coupons you collect for dropping money in the stores, have an expatriation date…. Use them or lose them….