Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[RemoGaggi]

Ultimately wound up having to send back my FIIL T1Xs. I really loved the sound, but the case was just too much for slim and skinny cut pants - way too much pocket bulge.

Alternatively, you could have kept the FIIL and just told everyone you were happy to see them.....

 

[Tronsmart Official]

Looks like majority opinion is don't buy. ANC isn't that great, nor is SQ, etc.

Hi, Shadowclash,
Different people have differnt opinions about the sound because their listening styles are quite different. Some people like to hear POP, some people like to hear more instrument, they may choose the right tune style device according to their listening style.
About ANC, Apollo Bold uses hybrid active noise cancelling, reduce up to 35dB noise, it is not the best or even cannot compare with those expensive full size headphnes, but if you compare with other TWS ANC earbuds, you will know Apollo's high performance.
Hope it helps you to understand.
Thanks.

 

[Caipirina]

Still trying out the Aukey EP-N5 and deciding if I’m keeping them. One thing that bothers me is that the ANC doesn’t seem to be on by default, and it doesn’t remember your last setting. So you have to turn it on manually each time.

Did you write more about the Aukey before? What's the fit and SQ like?
Mine shall be here by Saturday

 

[webvan]

Hi, Shadowclash,
Different people have differnt opinions about the sound because their listening styles are quite different. Some people like to hear POP, some people like to hear more instrument, they may choose the right tune style device according to their listening style.
About ANC, Apollo Bold uses hybrid active noise cancelling, reduce up to 35dB noise, it is not the best or even cannot compare with those expensive full size headphnes, but if you compare with other TWS ANC earbuds, you will know Apollo's high performance.
Hope it helps you to understand.
Thanks.

Well people who have done detailed side-by-side comparisons with other available ANC TWEs have found them to be lacking. The Amazon Echo Buds for instance are very close to what the QC25/QC35 offer thanks to their excellent passive isolation that the ANR usefully supplements and the MTW2 are not far behind.
Besides you have not addressed the fact that :
- the passive isolation is poor compared to the Echo Buds, MTW2, or the recent SiFi II and Tozo NC9, there isn't much point having ANC if that prerequisite is not met.
- there is a HUGE bass boost when ANC is activated which makes listening to music unpleasant even if you like bass. Why is that ?
- using the term "hybrid ANC" is confusing, it's just what "normal ANC" is, i.e. feedforward and feedback ANC.

 

[assassin10000]

Ultimately wound up having to send back my FIIL T1Xs. I really loved the sound, but the case was just too much for slim and skinny cut pants - way too much pocket bulge and I could feel it.

Still trying out the Aukey EP-N5 and deciding if I’m keeping them. One thing that bothers me is that the ANC doesn’t seem to be on by default, and it doesn’t remember your last setting. So you have to turn it on manually each time.

If you need slim and tiny, I'd recommend you try the Air-XR's. The smallest, slimmest case there is.

Sound signature is kind of a somewhat warm harman, excellent bass response and a bit of treble roll off up too. I wish I could find an FR measurement of these.

Despite lacking pretty much all the extra features of the LP2, XM3, Buds+, etc. that I've tried. It has managed to remain a favorite, simply due to its organic sound.

 

[clementpoiret]

I just received my appolo bold, I had a coupon so I got them for a better price
I agree with some reviews saying that there is too much bass, not as bad as I thought but it's true. Fortunately, we'll be able to solve that when we will have the app! I can't use viper4android anymore, so I'll have to wait...
Otherwise, I like the quality of these buds, beside bass the SQ is really good at low volume. Fit is nice, and they are quite comfortable.

ANC is correct, I'll even say that it seems good. I think it's just suffering from the passive isolation, but I'll replace default eartips by foam tips which should clearly improve passive isolation. New eartips + Android App & firmware update (bringing AptX-HD), and I think they'll be awesome

 

[assassin10000]

I just received my appolo bold, I had a coupon so I got them for a better price
I agree with some reviews saying that there is too much bass, not as bad as I thought but it's true. Fortunately, we'll be able to solve that when we will have the app! I can't use viper4android anymore, so I'll have to wait...
Otherwise, I like the quality of these buds, beside bass the SQ is really good at low volume. Fit is nice, and they are quite comfortable.

ANC is correct, I'll even say that it seems good. I think it's just suffering from the passive isolation, but I'll replace default eartips by foam tips which should clearly improve passive isolation. New eartips + Android App & firmware update (bringing AptX-HD), and I think they'll be awesome

If you use android 9 or newer, try the wavelet app. Though YMMV as it may not work with everything.

 

[clementpoiret]

If you use android 9 or newer, try the wavelet app. Though YMMV as it may not work with everything.

Ohh nice! Thanks for the share, it looks like what I'm searching!

 

[actorlife]

Dang these Tevi are great for walking around the apt. Never a cut off or break up at all. It’s amazing cause most of my TWS cut off at some point while walking around. Saving that $30 bucks buying used is a big bonus and that beautiful SQ. I still have to check the battery to see if it does 10hrs.

 

[actorlife]

Been using my Fiil CC's for running (no thump). Previously, I used the mifo 02 (terrible for music, only good for podcasts). I might end up staying with the mifo's only because they secure a tad better in my ears than the CC. The other reason I pulled the trigger on the CC was the mic quality per a review stating they were excellent for calls. They are ok, not excellent. I might concede that they are pretty good for calls, but my sony xm3 is still better and the APP remains king.

I was surprised at the SQ of the CC's, excellent for their category (ala old air pods / semi in-ear). Overall the design on the CC's are awesome. Best feel in hand over all the other TWS's I've tried or owned. Refer to scarbir's review for design details.

One thing to note, the upper mids / treble is way over emphasized. eq'ing helps a bit but they are definitely on the lean side in terms of sound. Excellent clarity, though and surprising amount of bass despite not being a full in-ear design.

My graphs are terribly inaccurate below 50hz and above 5k. Still waiting for my iec711 coupler to arrive.

Are they relatively flat? Seems to me that they are. Did you do any graphs on the Tevi as well? Thank you Sam!!! I think it’s the first time I see measurements on this thread.

 

[assassin10000]

Are they relatively flat? Seems to me that they are. Did you do any graphs on the Tevi as well? Thank you Sam!!! I think it’s the first time I see measurements on this thread.

Crinacle has a bunch of TWS graphs on his site.

 

[Shadowclash10]

Dang these Tevi are great for walking around the apt. Never a cut off or break up at all. It’s amazing cause most of my TWS cut off at some point while walking around. Saving that $30 bucks buying used is a big bonus and that beautiful SQ. I still have to check the battery to see if it does 10hrs.

Mmm, if I remember correctly, some reviewers said they reached 10 hrs @50% volume. 60-75% netted them 8-9 hrs, i think? But ofc, YMMV. And 8-9 hours is still very good. I wonder WHY they don't break up...

 

[actorlife]

Crinacle has a bunch of TWS graphs on his site.

Thank A10000. That looks about right. Not completely flat, but fine to my ears. I’m still shock how great they sound.

 

[actorlife]

Mmm, if I remember correctly, some reviewers said they reached 10 hrs @50% volume. 60-75% netted them 8-9 hrs, i think? But ofc, YMMV. And 8-9 hours is still very good. I wonder WHY they don't break up...

I guess the antenna is superior, which is not expected on chi-fi stuff.

 

[Caipirina]

Well people who have done detailed side-by-side comparisons with other available ANC TWEs have found them to be lacking. The Amazon Echo Buds for instance are very close to what the QC25/QC35 offer thanks to their excellent passive isolation that the ANR usefully supplements and the MTW2 are not far behind.
Besides you have not addressed the fact that :
- the passive isolation is poor compared to the Echo Buds, MTW2, or the recent SiFi II and Tozo NC9, there isn't much point having ANC if that prerequisite is not met.
- there is a HUGE bass boost when ANC is activated which makes listening to music unpleasant even if you like bass. Why is that ?
- using the term "hybrid ANC" is confusing, it's just what "normal ANC" is, i.e. feedforward and feedback ANC.

Have the Amazon Echo Buds been offered for sale outside the US? I still can't see them anywhere .. now that you mention they perform as well as the Bose QC25/35 I feel I MUST have those