Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[Bhelpoori]

has anyone tried this app?
https://www.xda-developers.com/make-your-headphones-sound-better-automatic-eq-wavelet/amp/

it has an AutoEQ feature to make the curve closer to harman target curve, and supports quite a bunch of selections in its library, even some cheap chifis and TWSs.

i only installed it last night, so i only have tested it with my Gbuds and WHXM3 headphone.
from those two, i really like the sound. it makes both of them really airy and less bloated. thr GBuds is airy just as it is, but this app still manages to make the mids clearer.

next I'm gonna test it with my wired ones that's listed there

Interesting and thanks for the link. I will take a look.

I've been using Sonarworks SoundID (https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid) which is the successor to TrueFi but seems to be better to my ears with the Airpods Pro (and other supported headphones rather than TWS) and it works very well with the Airpods Pro. Unfortunately the number of TWS supported is vanishingly small and I hit lucky with the Airpods Pro, and playback only works on computer properly as the TrueFi mobile app equivalent doesn't exist (yet??). I also have a license from TrueFi otherwise it would be expensive.

 

[cresny]

I don't understand why Sony can't get their act together. They could make a killer set, but they always seem to leave a feature off or hobble them somehow.

Like many others here, I'm guessing LDAC on TWS must be too much of a battery drain. They implemented DSEE HX as an alternative for the WF-1000XM3 and that is a battery drain as it is (though I still like it better than EQ-ing) but I doubt they would have bothered with that if LDAC could have worked. Anyway, I do think their act is very much together and they have raised the bar for TWS considerably.

 

[eiraku]

has anyone tried this app?
https://www.xda-developers.com/make-your-headphones-sound-better-automatic-eq-wavelet/amp/

it has an AutoEQ feature to make the curve closer to harman target curve, and supports quite a bunch of selections in its library, even some cheap chifis and TWSs.

i only installed it last night, so i only have tested it with my Gbuds and WHXM3 headphone.
from those two, i really like the sound. it makes both of them really airy and less bloated. thr GBuds is airy just as it is, but this app still manages to make the mids clearer.

next I'm gonna test it with my wired ones that's listed there

If this is capable of saving (and loading) EQ Presets per Headphone, colour me interested. Even better if it can autoload the presets on its own.

With per-unit presets than it would indeed be the perfect add-in for TWS sets lacking native EQ (the Edifier NB and Nuarls come to mind).

 

[bedlamite]

Sony's full-sized XM3s have LDAC but they're a muddy mess with little treble sparkle. To a certain extent, an audio codec isn't any indicator of how good BT gear will sound, it's how the drivers are tuned.

 

[chinmie]

If this is capable of saving (and loading) EQ Presets per Headphone, colour me interested. Even better if it can autoload the presets on its own.

With per-unit presets than it would indeed be the perfect add-in for TWS sets lacking native EQ (the Edifier NB and Nuarls come to mind).

agree 100 percent. it already have automatic switching for the autoEQ when connected to different TWS, if they implement multiple custom EQ settings, i would gladly pay the full price. i guess we could try suggesting it to the developer

 

[hifi80sman]

Has anyone tried the WF-SP800N yet? I can grab a pair today, so wondering if it's worth it.

 

[FadeOne]

Any suggestions for a pair that has a very wide soundstage and great imaging? Call quality is not important

 

[Bhelpoori]

agree 100 percent. it already have automatic switching for the autoEQ when connected to different TWS, if they implement multiple custom EQ settings, i would gladly pay the full price. i guess we could try suggesting it to the developer

As an FYI: I just tried this on my Test Android Device which is only Android 8 (Oreo) and found that it only works on Android 9 (Pie) or above.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

Well I got my FIIL T1X And I’m not sure I can keep them. They sound great for $50, playing above their price point.

HOWEVER, it took me 15 MINUTES to get my ear canal pressure equalized with the pressure behind the driver, so that they would seal well and still play freely without the drivers binding up.

This is unacceptable. I thought the “driver flex” issue was just going to be a “crinkly” sound that the drivers would make when adjusting the fit - but instead it prevents the drivers from moving properly to produce the best sound.

But what I do like is (1) they are quite comfortable vs My N6P, (2) they don’t need to be EQ’d but using EQ via the app is subtle and doesn’t ruin the sound, and (3) with a partial seal to allow you to avoid driver flex and hear things around you, they still make bass and don’t fall out.

Have you tried tip rolling it? I found some genetic silicone tips that work well without causing pressure build up.

Maybe try a foam tips?

I'm not quite sure why, but these tips are working better for me, allowing a seal without binding up the T1X drivers more often than not.
Luakesa Silicone Replacement Ear Tips Earbuds Eargels for Mpow, Senso, Zeus, Otium, Hussar, Letscom Bluetooth Earphones, 6 Pairs

Sometimes I still have to adjust them to get the pressure to equalize - the right is still more finicky than the left. The fit on the nozzle is pretty tight and I had to work them on slowly while twisting, so I'm not worried about them falling off and getting stuck in my ears.

The sound is pretty good, better out of the box than the Jabra 75t, and while I miss the transparency or hear-thru mode, the ear hooks that help keep them inside the ears allow for a looser fit without falling out, for when you need them to leak sound and let you hear things around you.

 

[Francesco Montanari]

agree 100 percent. it already have automatic switching for the autoEQ when connected to different TWS, if they implement multiple custom EQ settings, i would gladly pay the full price. i guess we could try suggesting it to the developer

My favourite feature of OnePlus oxygen Os

 

[clerkpalmer]

Has anyone tried the WF-SP800N yet? I can grab a pair today, so wondering if it's worth it.

Subscribed. I too and wondering. They are down the street at Target waiting for me ... but I'm trying to fight the urge of another side grade. Could these improve upon MTW2? My rational mind says no other than perhaps fit.

 

[bronco1015]

Hola folks,

I'm posting here for a friend of mine. If you look at my bio, it's apparent that I know nothing about these wireless iems.
My friend was asking me questions about these things coz I'm a headphone nut and constantly talk about my rig at work lol.

He wants to purchase the new Senns. I told him to hold off and let me find out what some of the competition offers in terms of SQ. Maybe something a little cheaper but can go toe to toe in terms of sound.

I'm asking the pros here for some advice so I can offer him some options. He's willing to spend on the Senns so his budget is flexible. Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions!

Cheers!

Reading posts in real time, so not sure what replies you might have already. But nuarl N6 Pro if it's just SQ for nearly half the cost. The Senns are really good though. Depending on what gear they might have or prefer, maybe the Sonys, but fit is mor difficult with those. Lypertek Tevi, Anker l2P, But in all, for the transparency mode, ANC and SQ the Senns are a good purchase. Better than the 1st gen were. If we still had the 1st gen MTW only, i'd be adding caveats like, case battery drains. Fit is subjective. etc. The 2nd gen are well worth it this time around imo.

 

[hifi80sman]

Subscribed. I too and wondering. They are down the street at Target waiting for me ... but I'm trying to fight the urge of another side grade. Could these improve upon MTW2? My rational mind says no other than perhaps fit.

My main issue with the XM3 was the fit. This has a similar form factor, the same codecs, and possibly the same driver. ANC is not as important to me as solid audio quality, so personally, this would be a better fitting side-grade of the XM3 with maybe an improved mic for calls. I also have the WH-H910N, which is its mid-range cousin and technically a step under the XM4 (when it comes out), but it has better sound and a better mic than the over-ear XM3.

The MTW v1 was OK for me. I sold those l and actually enjoy the sound of the XM3 more, in addition to its more solid build/feel. Plus, the battery drain issue was driving me crazy and its clear Sennheiser no longer has, or perhaps never had, any intention of fixing it.

 

[clerkpalmer]

My main issue with the XM3 was the fit. This has a similar form factor, the same codecs, and possibly the same driver. ANC is not as important to me as solid audio quality, so personally, this would be a better fitting side-grade of the XM3 with maybe an improved mic for calls. I also have the WH-H910N, which is its mid-range cousin and technically a step under the XM4 (when it comes out), but it has better sound and a better mic than the over-ear XM3.

The MTW v1 was OK for me. I sold those l and actually enjoy the sound of the XM3 more, in addition to its more solid build/feel. Plus, the battery drain issue was driving me crazy and its clear Sennheiser no longer has, or perhaps never had, any intention of fixing it.

Hmm. My MTW2 does not have the battery drain issue - so it does appear to have been addressed. Perhaps it was a hardware issue? Not sure. I do think it's possible the SP800s sound as good as the Senns and quite possibly with better fit and better ANC (the Senn ANC is pretty weak sauce). I feel like the outcome is certain so why am i depriving myself? The nuraloops are intriguing for the same price but the Reddit forums are full of so-so reviews and fit problems. I believe the drivers are 100% the same.

 

[webvan]

Didn't realize the WF-SP800N would be out already in the US, in Europe it's planned for mid-July !!!
This has probably already been posted but with the lack of notifications since the forum revamp I miss a lot of posts now...
He says ANC isn't as good, that's a letdown if confirmed. Now maybe they have better passive isolation too so that would make the ANC less impressive when it kicks in.
They still stick out a lot