Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[raymanh]

Where I am the 1More ANC hasn't been released yet. They also look a bit bulky.

I've narrowed my choice down to two options. The Elite 75t and the Galaxy Buds+. While the N6 Pro sound the best, they are bulkier and do not have pass through sound.

The 75t fit much better as it seemed to go deep in my ear canal and had very good isolation. The Buds + on the other hand do not go so deep and I was unable to try a larger tip at the Samsung store.

Soundwise, the 75t has such an overwhelming bass, even with EQ adjusted all the way down at the low frequency bands. The Buds sounded a bit bland, probably because I couldn't get a proper seal.

Not seen much praise here for the Buds +. I know a few sites like soundguys and crinacle rate them very very highly, above lots of other brands. Any views here?

 

[IEManiac]

Where I am the 1More ANC hasn't been released yet. They also look a bit bulky.

I've narrowed my choice down to two options. The Elite 75t and the Galaxy Buds+. While the N6 Pro sound the best, they are bulkier and do not have pass through sound.

The 75t fit much better as it seemed to go deep in my ear canal and had very good isolation. The Buds + on the other hand do not go so deep and I was unable to try a larger tip at the Samsung store.

Soundwise, the 75t has such an overwhelming bass, even with EQ adjusted all the way down at the low frequency bands. The Buds sounded a bit bland, probably because I couldn't get a proper seal.

Not seen much praise here for the Buds +. I know a few sites like soundguys and crinacle rate them very very highly, above lots of other brands. Any views here?

Yeah, they are tuned to the Harman target. The problem is that Harman is not gospel and it's kinda dull.

 

[RobinFood]

Yeah, they are tuned to the Harman target. The problem is that Harman is not gospel and it's kinda dull.

Personally I prefer diffuse-field target and EQ to that if I can.

 

[IEManiac]

Personally I prefer diffuse-field target and EQ to that if I can.

DT770 is Diffuse-field, right?

 

[axhng]

Just got these earlier today. Already shared some of my early thoughts on the KZ thread, but these are pretty nice sounding and a pretty significant improvement over the S2 in terms of sound. Deeper and punchier bass (S2 doesn't really have much sub bass), fuller sounding mids (S2 was a little thin sounding and a tiny bit recessed), treble is not peaky or fatiguing and sounds more natural (S2 was a little sibilant, a little thin, slightly steely). I like the sound of these more than some of their IEMs actually, if they put the same driver and tuning in the ZSN Pro or ZSX's shell, I'll probably buy it.

But... it takes a few steps back from the S2 in terms of features. The case doesn't feel as premium, it goes back to using micro-USB, and battery life is bad (it's smaller than the S2's battery probably because of the bigger driver, so it's just over 2 hours of use per charge). My guess is most of the cost if going into the new driver they're using. Now the early bird promo is over for the S2, the price is actually now the same as the Z1 which is probably not a coincidence. haha. So for better sound, Z1. For better features, S2?

 

[RobinFood]

DT770 is Diffuse-field, right?

I'm not sure, I can't wear headphones, they make me feel clostrophobic.

Etymotics use diffuse field with a slight mids boost as their target. I used Crinacles graph database with my xm3 and tried to EQ it to that.

My favorite is still my er4s, but the xm3s get really close and it helps open up the soundstage and sharpen the imaging so much.

 

[chevybit]

Hi,

I recently received the SoundPeats TrueDot. I'm a bit disappointed as the bass is overwhelming. With a bit of EQ they sound good, but nothing great.

Here is my measurement using Dayton Audio iMM-6:

I've had the Samsung Buds before and their resolution is great, but they can sound a bit bright and some peak around 6-7K was fatiguing to me. They lacked the body, too much treble for my taste and like crinacle explains, kind of a "weeb" signature.

From all cheap TWS I tried and tested so far (and I tried a lot from AliExpress), QCY T5 comes very close to an all-round package.

I'm waiting for the QCY T4 to arrive soon, which has an app with EQ.

Etymotic ER2XR is my reference IEM and I like them a lot.

What other TWS I should check out? What are the latest recommendations in this thread? Thanks.

 

[IEManiac]

Hi,

I recently received the SoundPeats TrueDot. I'm a bit disappointed as the bass is overwhelming. With a bit of EQ they sound good, but nothing great.

Here is my measurement using Dayton Audio iMM-6:



I've had the Samsung Buds before and their resolution is great, but they can sound a bit bright and some peak around 6-7K was fatiguing to me. They lacked the body, too much treble for my taste and like crinacle explains, kind of a "weeb" signature.

From all cheap TWS I tried and tested so far (and I tried a lot from AliExpress), QCY T5 comes very close to an all-round package.

I'm waiting for the QCY T4 to arrive soon, which has an app with EQ.

Etymotic ER2XR is my reference IEM and I like them a lot.

What other TWS I should check out? What are the latest recommendations in this thread? Thanks.

I bought my 10 year-old kid a set of QCY T5 for $20. He likes them quite a lot. Didn't get a chance to audition them for long before I turned them over to him.

 

[chevybit]

I bought my 10 year-old kid a set of QCY T5 for $20. He likes them quite a lot. Didn't get a chance to audition them for long before I turned them over to him.

They are even better with proper eartips like SpinFit CP360 (M/L). Tips that came with QCY T5 tend to fall out during phone conversations, eating (moving your jaw).

 

[d3myz]

AVIOT anyone?

Wow, those look a ton like the NTO1AX by Nuarl.

 

[axhng]

Hi,

I recently received the SoundPeats TrueDot. I'm a bit disappointed as the bass is overwhelming. With a bit of EQ they sound good, but nothing great.

Here is my measurement using Dayton Audio iMM-6:



I've had the Samsung Buds before and their resolution is great, but they can sound a bit bright and some peak around 6-7K was fatiguing to me. They lacked the body, too much treble for my taste and like crinacle explains, kind of a "weeb" signature.

From all cheap TWS I tried and tested so far (and I tried a lot from AliExpress), QCY T5 comes very close to an all-round package.

I'm waiting for the QCY T4 to arrive soon, which has an app with EQ.

Etymotic ER2XR is my reference IEM and I like them a lot.

What other TWS I should check out? What are the latest recommendations in this thread? Thanks.

For me I felt the truedots to be too warm for my liking too. I preferred the Haylou GT1 Plus which is similar sounding, but with less bass and a bit more clarity in the mids. It's probably made by the same ODM since the charging case is interchangeable between both.

Had the galaxy buds too and same thoughts, great resolution but a bit thin in the mids for my taste, and treble can be a bit intense at times. using their app to EQ helps though, but I don't like the ungodly amount of permissions samsung demands. lol. QCY T5 is pretty nice, and definitely a good all round package with low latency and good call quality, but purely sound quality wise, I still find the Gt1 Plus to be a bit more pleasing for my taste. Less peaky treble, a bit more body in the mids.

Ordered the QCY T4 on march 29th on aliexpress, still waiting. lol. I used to have the ER2XR as well which i enjoyed, but sold them off. Now i'm using the ER4XR. For TWS, nothing will probably come close when it comes to technicalities, but well, i still like the haylou gt1 plus because it's so cheap, but has a sound signature that I enjoy. That said, haven't tried that many expensive TWS because i feel like they're not that good of an investment in the long run. so maybe others can chip in too.

 

[RobinFood]

Wow, those look a ton like the NTO1AX by Nuarl.

They sound very similar too. The case feels huge, but you can use it to charge your phone. They kind of came out around the same time as a competitor at the time.

 

[DynamicEars]

Just got these earlier today. Already shared some of my early thoughts on the KZ thread, but these are pretty nice sounding and a pretty significant improvement over the S2 in terms of sound. Deeper and punchier bass (S2 doesn't really have much sub bass), fuller sounding mids (S2 was a little thin sounding and a tiny bit recessed), treble is not peaky or fatiguing and sounds more natural (S2 was a little sibilant, a little thin, slightly steely). I like the sound of these more than some of their IEMs actually, if they put the same driver and tuning in the ZSN Pro or ZSX's shell, I'll probably buy it.

But... it takes a few steps back from the S2 in terms of features. The case doesn't feel as premium, it goes back to using micro-USB, and battery life is bad (it's smaller than the S2's battery probably because of the bigger driver, so it's just over 2 hours of use per charge). My guess is most of the cost if going into the new driver they're using. Now the early bird promo is over for the S2, the price is actually now the same as the Z1 which is probably not a coincidence. haha. So for better sound, Z1. For better features, S2?

wow so you got the new Z1 already! i thought they are still in pre order state? so how the Z1 compared to their wired IEM? Im interested like I said on KZ thread, they have more sub bass and thicker than overall TWS currently with their 10mm driver. How is the bass decay speed and texture? SQ is priority for me rather than other features

 

[d3myz]

On the last 2 attempts I let them sit outside of the case for about that long, until they both shut down.

PS: which ones have you NOT returned, and how are they?

I currently own:
Liberty 2 Pro ver. 3, Tranya Rimor, B530 and T3, FIIL T1X, Sony XM3, Ear Fun Free, Tronsmart Spunky Beats, 1more Stylish, Anbes 359/SSK BT01, Mpow T5/M5, Mavin Air-XR. QCY T1 and T1 pro, Chisana C1L, Lystar J29, AirPods Pro, Tiso i4. They are all great pretty great for different things. I have a lot of impressions in this thread of each pair.

I also have the Jabra 75T coming tomorrow. I have pretty much phased out earbuds that don't have ambient/transparency mode as I work at home and have small children, so I'm pretty much always having to take them in and out and it drives me nuts. IMHO and from what I've heard, The Echo buds and the N6/pro were some of the best TWS's i've heard sound quality wise besides the XM3, then maybe the FIIL T1x, Anbes 359. Honorable mention to the Stylish and Air-XR with EQing. I also had the M&D MW07 and I thought it was nice, but the FIIL T1x was better to me, especially for the money. I've had my eye on the Aviot TE-D01b, but it's been a while since i've been active on here and I haven't read much feedback about them. Granted I don't EQ my earbuds, I use an iphone and just stick them in and go.

I popped in my Anbes 359's today for the first time in probably 6 months and man, these things never cease to impress me. for music, portability and comfort, i'd choose them any day over almost anything I have. I really like my Mavin Air-XR's and spunky beats for portability, but the Anbes' are just purely better everywhere w/o any EQ. Also, i've been testing the mics on my TWS' for zoom calls and hands down everyone is telling me the XM3's and Air Pods Pro are the best that the L2Ps are one of the worst. who would of thought? B530's and Mavin Air XR's we good, but not a full sounding.

 

[axhng]

wow so you got the new Z1 already! i thought they are still in pre order state? so how the Z1 compared to their wired IEM? Im interested like I said on KZ thread, they have more sub bass and thicker than overall TWS currently with their 10mm driver. How is the bass decay speed and texture? SQ is priority for me rather than other features

seems like my instinct were right, they have ZSX signature sound? of course with less separation and technicalities. How is the soundstage and imaging?
and that very fast, i thought they are still in pre order session? now Im interested.. ugh

Will just combine the Q from KZ thread too. haha. I got these from Linsoul a little earlier for review. Probably helps that shipping from China to Singapore is relatively fast. haha. It's one of my favourite sounding KZ to date, though admittedly I haven't really tested that many of their IEMs (only ZSN Pro, ZS10 Pro, ZSX, EDR2) aside from their wireless stuff (T1, S1, S2).

For me the tonality is what I like the most? Because it's a single DD, there is almost no steely treble at all. ZSX was better than the others, but still a tiny bit. Technicalities it loses out to ZSX of course. Sound signature i think it's close? I don't have the ZSX to compare anymore, but I have the same general impressions as I did with the ZSX, which is just how balance the bass, mids, treble are being presented. They are all present and forward sounding and doesn't overpower one another. Though on the ZSX i remember it was a little fatiguing for me and i ended up needing to tone down the 8-9KHz a little, and then it was fine for me. For the Z1, i don't have to do that. ZSN Pro is basically not even worth mentioning compared to the Z1 since the treble is just.. not great. Steely, sibilant, intense. haha. ZS10 Pro fares a little better, but still not a fan of the treble. Personally I value tonality a bit more than technicalities.

for the bass, it's nice actually. I was a little afraid looking at their graph that it would be overwhelming, but it's punchy and thumpy, and doesn't sound too bloated or boomy. I'm listening to caravan from whiplash soundtrack and it has a lot of fast and repeated bass drum beats, especially near the end of the track and it sounds pretty good to me. Sub bass is definitely one of the more substantial I've heard on a pair of TWS earbuds, and I think it's pretty well done too. The sub-bass quantity reminds me on the dual DD AKG earbuds that comes with the Note10, but I didn't particular enjoy that as much since I find the mid bass a little bloated.

Texture wise, it's relatively smooth sounding I guess? Though not to the point where it loses too much definition? I'm not particular good at listening for this and describing this aspect. Soundstage and imaging i think is quite similar to the haylou gt1 plus? I'm listening to Norman Greenbaum's Spirit in the sky and toto's africa, and the way the instruments comes in one by one sounds pretty similar in terms of their positing. I feel like any difference that I hear might just be down to the Z1 having more bass.

Not sure if that's helpful, but i'm liking it more than I thought I would. Ever since i got the Gt1 plus that has been my go to TWS most of the time, but now it'll probably be the Z1.

edit: oh and i did a battery test from full to the first low battery warning and it's not pretty. 2 hrs and 10 mins of use at around 45-50% volume (this is the same loudness that I use normally when listening music with any audio gear I have, the volume percentage looks low only because of how ridiculously loud the Z1 is able to get. lol)