Frequency fatigue 1 to 4.5kz. Remedy?(move thread to appropriate sub)

Feb 14, 2021 at 2:32 AM Post #46 of 103
Well, we're just playing your game so please practice what you preach and don't be a hypocrite. If he serious "about his frequency sensitivity and hearing damage remedies to still enjoy music" (and I have no reason to doubt he is) then presumably he is posting in the sound science forum looking for evidence based remedies and many here have raised some good pointers. It is you and guido that are acting like homeopaths trying to preach placebo (ie DACs) as medicine. At least homeopath products are cheap. The question is why are you still trolling here rather posting on the other Head Fi forums which allow subjective opinions to be stated as fact?
I posted about software that remedies sensitivy to sound, you are the one that has brought dacs into the story/you or some other guy. We are talking about software /organza/a16 Realiser that are known to make differences in sound. This isn't a dac or cable thread.
Please don't gunk it up. There are other threads where you can talk about dacs all you want.

I jsut want the thread to continue with scope to tame sensitivity towards sound. Someone that has issues will one day stumble around here and find help.

Anywyas, welcome to my ignore list.
 
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Feb 14, 2021 at 3:23 AM Post #47 of 103
I posted about software that remedies sensitivy to sound, you are the one that has brought dacs into the story/you or some other guy. We are talking about software /organza/a16 Realiser that are known to make differences in sound. This isn't a dac or cable thread.
Please don't gunk it up. There are other threads where you can talk about dacs all you want.

I jsut want the thread to continue with scope to tame sensitivity towards sound. Someone that has issues will one day stumble around here and find help.

Anywyas, welcome to my ignore list.
Ok, it wasn't you that suggested DACs as a remedy. So why did you single me out? Anyway, glad to be on your ignore list.
 
Feb 14, 2021 at 5:38 AM Post #48 of 103
Beings that this thread was started in the sound science forums. You'll have your dedicated(same people in every thread) sound science posters that'll tell you that there's no difference in dacs. There's no difference in amps. It's all in your mind(plecebo). That those particular pieces of gear contribute to nothing that is affecting your ears. Then will follow. "I bet if you did a controlled blind A/B test , you'll know the truth". Then if you do a blind A/B test it'll never meet the standards of said blind test proposal.

With that said. It's for you to decide if they're worth engaging. No matter how much you hear a difference in dacs and amps. They'll never accept what you are saying. They'll dismiss you with SCIENCE. Science says that you're delusional and expectation bias is playing games with your head. Unfortunately, expectation bias doesn't work the other way. " I hear no difference between dac A $100 and dac B $1000 it's all snake oil" it's just not possible to suffer bias when you're telling yourself repeatedly that there's no difference because science says there's no difference it's 1's and 0's and 1 clean watt is 1 clean watt. And don't get them started with tubes. Lol.


Enjoy!
Dismissing change unless proved that there is one is a common testing approach. The null hypothesis. Some take it too far, of course they do. And many audiophile don't understand that and assume we're all claiming the opposite of whatever it is they're saying, but that's mostly not the case.

Now, are you convinced that DACs all sound the same after bigshot has told you so? Surely you need more than that. It's the same result the other way around. Just because you claim to hear a difference, doesn't convince him of anything about your DACs. Not because it's you, not because it's him, but because not bringing any actual evidence to support an impression or a belief, that's not very convincing. and yes bringing up blind testing will predictably come right after, because like it or not, it's the go to solution to test our senses without having to stick electrodes everywhere on/in us.

BTW, all the annoying people actually agree that it's fairly common to notice a difference. What they're really saying is that once you've matched the voltage at the output of the DACs and you've setup an actual listening test, the stats for people being able to tell DACs apart just so happen to fall down very drastically. Something that could be interpreted as "audiophiles on average, don't know how to do a listening test and their conclusions can't be trusted".

Anyway, given the usual magnitude of change between 2 DACs, it's one of the last places I would go look for OP's problem. A different headphone, maybe a different amp with some warm and elevated distortions would feel better to some? But DACs are bound to have less of an impact, given that they're in general the most stable and accurate devices in our rig. It seems logical to me that some DSPs could have way more impact in a more controlled way. Even if only as a diagnostic tool to try and put a finger on the cause of the problem, DSPs are by far the more versatile options.
 
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Feb 19, 2021 at 3:08 PM Post #49 of 103
Just to touch up.
After finding the best software for transient taming (far more effective than eq) for issues with sound sensitivity,
Oeksound soothe 2
Oeksound Spiff
Are the 2 vst3 plug ins that are able to do this edit LiVE while streaming or playing local library.
Roon doesn't allow native vst3 plug ins, making it work with vst3 plugs is very difficult and unstable.

AUDIRVANA however allows it natively, easily configurable, live control of the vst3 plug in.

I use Spiff most as it tames the punch of the sudden transients without quieting them down, without distorting, without EQ, as EQ has to be used a wide Q for it to remedy the situation, hollowing the music out.

Today will try organza.
After some weeks at all this... What I've gathered is this :

If you can avoid EQ traditional, do so! Eq degrades the sound far too much (unless you are using 1 to 3db ranges delicately here and there.
Vst3 plugs, there are very many that do very many and different things. All better than eq, if you need more than just boosting or cutting a few DB. Absolutely amazing!
 
Feb 20, 2021 at 2:38 AM Post #50 of 103
EQ doesn't degrade sound if you use it properly. I don't think your problem involves frequencies. I think you want to smear over the sound to get rid of the contrasts.
 
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Feb 20, 2021 at 5:19 PM Post #52 of 103
It seems to me that the peculiarities of your own unique hearing damage aren't going to be a subject that's likely to apply to people who don't have the same kind of hearing damage. You might be expecting too much of others.

If your hearing is particularly sensitive, applying compression and rolling off the troublesome frequencies is going to help. It doesn't matter if the equalizer degrades the sound. You *want* it degraded to suit your hearing damage. Smearing over the transients and applying broad EQ cuts through the troublesome frequencies will make it more comfortable for you to listen to. Using open headphones or listening on speakers, and turning down the volume level will help too. Or just shove cotton balls in your ears.

If you are young, it may be something that goes away as you age. But to know that, you should consult an audiologist. That might actually be more useful to you than posting in an audiophile forum.
 
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Feb 20, 2021 at 5:49 PM Post #53 of 103
It seems to me that the peculiarities of your own unique hearing damage aren't going to be a subject that's likely to apply to people who don't have the same kind of hearing damage. You might be expecting too much of others.

If your hearing is particularly sensitive, applying compression and rolling off the troublesome frequencies is going to help. It doesn't matter if the equalizer degrades the sound. You *want* it degraded to suit your hearing damage. Smearing over the transients and applying broad EQ cuts through the troublesome frequencies will make it more comfortable for you to listen to. Using open headphones or listening on speakers, and turning down the volume level will help too. Or just shove cotton balls in your ears.

If you are young, it may be something that goes away as you age. But to know that, you should consult an audiologist. That might actually be more useful to you than posting in an audiophile forum.
Did all that. I have hyperacusis in between 1 and 9k.
It is what it is. I use a transient softener but it preserves all sounds at the DBs unlike eq, and doesn't tone down the DB in certain frequencies. I always felt EQ degraded the track unless it was very lightly used and just here and there.

This thread is for anyone with hearing sensitivity to any Frequency, it will be presented as intolerable to transients.
Hearing and audiologist comfirmed hearing is normal. It's not a hearing loss.

This is for anyone that has sensitivity and stumbles about this thread and it helps find a way to listen to music in hifi, without much degradation.

If anyone coming hy the thread with hearing loss or hearing damage... Those are different things... Manifest differently and this transient smoother method will not fix you up.
This is solely for sensitivity to certain frequencies.

Audiologist told me that it's not the frequencies people can't handle or fong fatiguing... But that it's actually the snappy transients.
 
Feb 20, 2021 at 6:55 PM Post #54 of 103
EQ doesn’t degrade sound unless you use it wrong. Get a good digital equalizer and it will correct for your hearing problem enough that listening will be comfortable.
 
Feb 20, 2021 at 7:24 PM Post #56 of 103
Compression.

Flatten out the dynamics, dial down the irritating frequencies, and listen to music. Set up a sound editing app to batch process your music library.
 
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Feb 20, 2021 at 7:27 PM Post #57 of 103
Compression.

Flatten out the dynamics, dial down the irritating frequencies, and listen to music.
I think that's what the Oeksound spiff/soothe 2 do.
But how do you flatten out dynamics?

OK so yeah. It's what Spiff vst3 plug in. A smart dynamic eq.

But versus a regular eq, these don't cut out the loudness of a frequency it just smoothes it out and blends it. But it's very precise. When I use regular eq.. Even with jsut - 3db cuts... It end up really dulling out a track
 
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Feb 21, 2021 at 3:51 PM Post #58 of 103
Then you've solved your problematic hearing deficit I guess. Glad you are happy now.
 
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Feb 27, 2021 at 11:50 AM Post #60 of 103
Sweep a sinusoid from 1kHz to 10kHz, listen for peaks and dips. The peaks, especially the sharp ones (high Q), are causing the issue. Place negative gain peaking eq filters at the frequencies where you hear the peaks. I'd recommend starting with a Q of 20 and reducing it as you iterate. I'd also recommend doing each channel (L and R) separately.
I don't believe there is a better way to remove the peaks, modding your headphones may move them around but not really truly eliminate it.
Recommend how? Like what is a sinusoid and how to really do it? Would love to try this method.
 

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