Oneminde
New Head-Fier
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How would you describe the difference, is the T60 more V shaped ?I have heard the Hifiman 400i,4xx and HE560 and I prefer the T60RP with no EQ being used
How would you describe the difference, is the T60 more V shaped ?I have heard the Hifiman 400i,4xx and HE560 and I prefer the T60RP with no EQ being used
How would you describe the difference, is the T60 more V shaped ?
Lets start with this one. I sort of understand where you come from in your argument, but you are also making assumptions. Perhaps because it is easier or your experience tells you that most people are slightly stupid and maybe they have brand loyalty to consider, or maybe they fall victim for marketing. While I do have a belief system like everybody (including you) mine is flexible. "You know what you know until you know more". Loudspeakers; I had to accept the fact that membrane material used is less connected to how the driver sounds, the difference between a very detailed and accurate acoustical performance was down to other parameters, likewise, hard dome drivers does not equal poor performance which many believe. I have heard soft dome tweeters that outperform hyper modern hard domes. But this wasn't always the case, it used to be: "The harder the material, the better acoustical performance" but this is not true. Its a combination of factors and in the end, if a driver, headphone or loudspeaker is better, then it is better and arguments are futile. But we know that is not how people work. I try not to be set in my ways because my ways is not more important than truth or fact. Its okay to be biased as long as you are aware of it and accept that others might not share your opinions. The point is that, if you are happy with what you've got, cool. That should not upset anyone, but as it goes, people love to impose their opinion (not saying you in particular are doing so), because what they believe must equal the truth and everyone must know this truth - "For I have seen the light"It would take a very long post for me to to convince you and, in the end, you would go on believing what your DNA and prior experience tells you to believe. Sometime in the future you will get the experience and knowledge required to rethink your beliefs.
This is what I am also thinking. I have theory's to why the T60 sound the way it does - not going to say better because better could be subjective - and so far, NO ONE has mentioned this factor. Either it is overlooked and/or people are unaware. I will certainly explore it which will either confirm it or not, I am neutral here since I have not confirmed my suspicions. Then there is all the other types of mods you have talked about. In due time I will start to experiment.If money is an object (and for many of you it is) then my advice is to go for the t20/40/50, the t60 is not a good value, it has wood but not top pads it is refined yet somewhat treble hot and it could be improved on bass and soundstage.
Lets start with this one. I sort of understand where you come from in your argument, but you are also making assumptions. Perhaps because it is easier or your experience tells you that most people are slightly stupid and maybe they have brand loyalty to consider, or maybe they fall victim for marketing. While I do have a belief system like everybody (including you) mine is flexible. "You know what you know until you know more". Loudspeakers; I had to accept the fact that membrane material used is less connected to how the driver sounds, the difference between a very detailed and accurate acoustical performance was down to other parameters, likewise, hard dome drivers does not equal poor performance which many believe. I have heard soft dome tweeters that outperform hyper modern hard domes. But this wasn't always the case, it used to be: "The harder the material, the better acoustical performance" but this is not true. Its a combination of factors and in the end, if a driver, headphone or loudspeaker is better, then it is better and arguments are futile. But we know that is not how people work. I try not to be set in my ways because my ways is not more important than truth or fact. Its okay to be biased as long as you are aware of it and accept that others might not share your opinions. The point is that, if you are happy with what you've got, cool. That should not upset anyone, but as it goes, people love to impose their opinion (not saying you in particular are doing so), because what they believe must equal the truth and everyone must know this truth - "For I have seen the light"
I talked to another loudspeaker engineer about the objective perspective how a loudspeaker should be acoustically tune - yes, I work as a loudspeaker engineer - and he stated that a loudspeaker should be as neutral as possible, boringly neutral. The Fletcher Munson Curve or Equal loudness is down to the recording or sound engineer. He is absolutely correct, how can I prove this. Simple. Look at amplifiers and their measurements. Anything that is not flat between say 5 Hz to 100kHz is consider poor performance. I have listened to fairly popular loudspeakers which many like, they have a Fletcher Munson curve and is tuned that way and using modern driver materials, it is obviously an engineering choice (biased) but it is not correct from an objective perspective. I assume they did so in order for the loudspeakers and drivers to sound more detailed and clear than what they do in reality. Bring them down to a neutral frequency response and they might sound veiled and boring. Then there are loudspeakers tuned to a neutral response which sound many times more accurate and have clarity, brilliance & presence the other loudspeaker can only dream of - read as better drivers and filters.
Its very dangerous to be dogmatic about the things one preach. Open the door, show someone an alternative reality and give them options to both venture into it but also leave the door open so that they can leave at their own free will. That is the fundament I build my arguments on ... these days. So I very much appreciate your debate about damping factor, but it will not win any awards if the acoustical performance from the components and circuits if they perform subpar. And how a headphone and amplifier perform is divided into two groups - the objective and the subjective, the later always win.
This is what I am also thinking. I have theory's to why the T60 sound the way it does - not going to say better because better could be subjective - and so far, NO ONE has mentioned this factor. Either it is overlooked and/or people are unaware. I will certainly explore it which will either confirm it or not, I am neutral here since I have not confirmed my suspicions. Then there is all the other types of mods you have talked about. In due time I will start to experiment.
Zeos is okay, I like his style - he is himself for better or worse ... LOL, compared to other reviewers who have something stiff up their butt.
- Onemidne
@kintsaki. It's Not How Smart You Are, It's How You're Smart!. I've met people who have 130+ in IQ and while they are more intelligent than me, they are not smarter, and I have met people who have less IQ than me but show evidence of sometimes making smarter decision. So while I have a higher IQ score than you, I would not worry If I where you. In the end, it is how you use your knowledge and how you solve problems that matter. Also, people with high IQ typically experience less joy than someone who has an average IQ (90-110) because they overthink things, and a persons IQ is like a muscle, it can be trained and grow
You made several comments which I am not going to argue about / against, but I largely agree on stuff that is considered general or apply on a large portion of the population. We have a personal history which influence how we see the world etc. My situation is that I can't do anything atm, but this should clear up this fall and I can seriously start working on the headphone. So I am currently spending some time with Kevin Glimore's amplifiers (Dynalo / Dynahi) so I can build a class A amplifier, alongside (hopefully) collect a THX/AAA/789 as well as the Atom.
Now for a question I've been wondering about for a while: You mentioned doing a 2 driver per side version of the Fostex RP. Is this on a planing stage or have you already tested the principle and have an idea of its performance ???
- Oneminde
Two things here. 1) It looks like to me that Fostex is alone (?) in using Kapton as the membrane material 2) The electrode portion also have a much finer pattern than most. This is why when I eventually do try and make my own, I first want to test using the Fostex RP material and pattern. If that is a key or not to the performance, I have no idea, but should be doable.Your idea on the driver diaphragm is interesting. See if you can use it to improve the speed of the driver to get it more refined.