[Artyouth]

If your computer is an i7 or equivalent you can have them all and a few more not shown in the picture, going at the same
time and still retain timbre with the RP drivers. If you can only try one try the 3 free Acustica demo's. Acustica is an Italian
company currently leads the way with their software emulation of legendary 60-70's consoles in Abbey Road recording studios.

Shame that I'm still use a core2 pc.
I will keep your suggestions in mind. My 3D printed cups of Open Alpha just arrived. This will let me busy quite a while.

 

[zackzack]

I just got the T60RP. Planar Magnetic is awesome and doesn't have to be super expensive.
No more peaky treble.

 

[AudioManNewb]

Would upgrading from the headphone amp in my creative Sound blaster ae-5 https://us.creative.com/p/sound-cards/sound-blasterx-ae-5 to the burson Fun with V6 Vivid be a worth while upgrade?

 

[HungryPanda]

I would most certainly say so

 

[Asahi Templar]

Would upgrading from the headphone amp in my creative Sound blaster ae-5 https://us.creative.com/p/sound-cards/sound-blasterx-ae-5 to the burson Fun with V6 Vivid be a worth while upgrade?

Never tried that soundcard but I was not impressed with the Z or ZXR when I tried them, not sure how much of an improvement the AE-5 is as it uses a totally new amp design. Z and ZXR were using the standard TI amp designs that are pretty bland sounding to me.

Burson Fun Vivid is a wonderful amplifier and for me was a worthwhile upgrade over what I had. It goes really well with planar magnetic especially as Burson said they designed their new amp line with Audeze in mind. Huge amount of power, I cant go past 12 o clock with the TR60RP without it being way too loud, and this is with my Topping D50 attenuating the signal by -6db. Without that attenuation its hard for me to make it to 9 o clock. Not sure how people listen to these at higher voltages to be honest, it would pop my eardrums to go much louder. IT has ended my search for amps as it is my favorite I have tried (and I have tried too damn many)

The Vivid op amps to me have an effect similar to the Creative crystallizer effect which tries to make music sound more dynamic. I think the op amps sound better than the creative one does as its more subtle and better executed. I notice the most improvement on lower DR songs, it makes them sound more open and dynamic. YOu can turn that on if you dont use it already to get a idea of what they do, though again I think they do it much better. The creative one can be quite harsh in the highs, the Vivid op amps are not to me.

I am curious to everyone who is using speaker amps to pump ridiculous amounts of watts into the RP drivers, are you actually putting more than 3 watts into it? If so does it not destroy the drivers? They are only rated for 3W maximum. Or are you actually giving it less than 3W and using the super powered amps to give it more current?

In my experience and from what I read its the current that is more important than the voltage for Planars, so I could see that offering some kind of improvement.

 

[kintsaki]

Shame that I'm still use a core2 pc.
I will keep your suggestions in mind. My 3D printed cups of Open Alpha just arrived. This will let me busy quite a while.

how much did they cost?

Have you given it any thought to make larger cups and to use the mk3 baffle?
So far the 2 most significant and effective modes were the mark 3 baffle that
adds a heavy bass component of the back wave to the front wave passing it
through the baffle wholes and the stiff foam ring thus increasing efficiency,
loudness and sub bass response and the enlargement of the acoustic cavity
with dramatic soundstage and layering improvements.

the Accustica dsp's will run on core 2 as will the "Variety of Sound"
and Coco's (from Justin Frankel the guy that founded Nullsoft and wrote WINAMP).

Going on a tangent and off topic, we live in a moron society where the mass media
working for "Corporate America" have convinced the masses that there is no "free
lunch".

AOL could not make anything out of WINAMP and finally killed it. Justin Frankel went
on and wrote Reaper - a very capable and comprehensive DAW - for his new company Coco's.

Reaper is free on an unlimited time fully functional version continuously updated competing
with 2000$ commercial DAW's (Digital Audio Workstation software for mixing and mastering).
You can buy Reaper if you decide that you like and want to use it professionally for a one time
lifetime license fee of 60$.

On the other hand you have Jim Hillgrass of JRiver (bad *** guy )charging you 25 $ a year to
update his 45$ media player program with no manual and no technical support.
He has a forum instead of support, but I had to raise hell to have him answer some basic but
vital for me questions. The people in his forum answer only the questions that are of interest to
them. Come on Jim give us a break!

 

[Artyouth]

how much did they cost?

Have you given it any thought to make larger cups and to use the mk3 baffle?
So far the 2 most significant and effective modes were the mark 3 baffle that
adds a heavy bass component of the back wave to the front wave passing it
through the baffle wholes and the stiff foam ring thus increasing efficiency,
loudness and sub bass response and the enlargement of the acoustic cavity
with dramatic soundstage and layering improvements.

the Accustica dsp's will run on core 2 as will the "Variety of Sound"
and Coco's (from Justin Frankel the guy that founded Nullsoft and wrote WINAMP).

Going on a tangent and off topic, we live in a moron society where the mass media
working for "Corporate America" have convinced the masses that there is no "free
lunch".

AOL could not make anything out of WINAMP and finally killed it. Justin Frankel went
on and wrote Reaper - a very capable and comprehensive DAW - for his new company Coco's.

Reaper is free on an unlimited time fully functional version continuously updated competing
with 2000$ commercial DAW's (Digital Audio Workstation software for mixing and mastering).
You can buy Reaper if you decide that you like and want to use it professionally for a one time
lifetime license fee of 60$.

On the other hand you have Jim Hillgrass of JRiver (bad *** guy )charging you 25 $ a year to
update his 45$ media player program with no manual and no technical support.
He has a forum instead of support, but I had to raise hell to have him answer some basic but
vital for me questions. The people in his forum answer only the questions that are of interest to
them. Come on Jim give us a break!

Quite cheap, total US40 for 6 parts.
SLA print becomes common here(China). I made my order online and got them within 24hurs.
However after 2 days test I feel quite disappoint on these new cups. FR and other technical factors sound good but the imaging mess up to a level that I can't accept. I inspected every parts that may cause this, such as solder point on plug and cords, short circuit, insecure driver placement, poor parts assembling etc. And finally I found the problem was come from the baffle.
When I turn back to use the Mk2 baffle, imaging position and separation dramatically come back!
I don't know it is because the material of my print, or the driver housing design, the pad ring shape etc cause this.
This Alpha baffle quite similar as the Mk3 but without the bass vents. And a smaller, ellip shape driver recess chamber.

Anyway now the basic problem solved, I'm going to a tuning state.
This un-tune Open Alpha definitely have a wilder soundstage, better bass quantity and quality but less clarity then the T60. Just like what's people describe the Argon.
edit: I didn't use the connector plug (direct solder to driver), that's mean the plug holes now fully open as an extra cup vents.

Yes I'm considering about print a deeper cup as your previous post said. Or maybe just order few pieces of 0.5cm rings to insert between the original cup and baffle.
PS. I also tried to listen without cup, just the baffle and pads then hold by my hands. With a little EQ I see lots of potential.

 

[Artyouth]

I am curious to everyone who is using speaker amps to pump ridiculous amounts of watts into the RP drivers, are you actually putting more than 3 watts into it? If so does it not destroy the drivers? They are only rated for 3W maximum. Or are you actually giving it less than 3W and using the super powered amps to give it more current?

In my experience and from what I read its the current that is more important than the voltage for Planars, so I could see that offering some kind of improvement.

I tried to plug my T20rp to a speaker amp which is 40W@8ohm. No damage but tons of background noise.

 

[chimney189]

Has anyone had a chance to compare these to the Argons?
I know Zeos has a review up, but I'm interested in other opinions.

Thanks!

 

[Artyouth]

Has anyone had a chance to compare these to the Argons?
I know Zeos has a review up, but I'm interested in other opinions.

Thanks!

I think he may have both sound demo.
If you have any one of these two, compare yours to the sound demo. You will have a brief of the differences between the actual sound and the demo. Then you can imagine the actual sound of the other.

 

[kintsaki]

Just got these yesterday and they are wonderful!

I am very happy with the stock t60RP sound, guitars in particular sound amazing.

I am using them with the Burson Fun amplifier and its an amazing combo, detailed, dynamic and the clarity is outstanding. This is the clearest and cleanest sounding audio setup I have ever used.

I was using Sennheiser HD 650/58x and they actually sound a bit muddy compared to the t60RP, even in the mids which are usually said to be Sennheisers strength. Really surprised by that, did not expect this much of an improvement in the mids.

The T60s female vocals really wowed me as to me they give the perfect balance between detail/energy and not being fatiguing or annoying.

They are noticeably less warm with male vocals compared to the 650, male voices sound more airy and less bassy, yet it still manages to make rhythm guitars sound outstanding.

Imaging is absolutely incredible, I can actually hear how far people are from the microphone in podcasts I listen to now, with the 650/58x it sounded like they were speaking right into my ear. I was quite taken aback by it at first, a lot of :"This is what they actually sounded like this the whole time!?" was uttered.

My only complaint really is that hte sub-bass extention is still mediocre, though a large improvement over stock t50rp. On my set it only goes down to about 34hz before it starts rolling off hard, dropping to almost nothing by24hz.

It does seem to take EQ well in that region though.
The stock pads are also a little uncomfortable after long sessions, but I wear glasses so milage may very on that.

I ordered some ZMF proteins and the mayflower baffle to see if I preferred that sound, but honestly stock is going to be hard to beat, I mostly listen to rock and metal and damn the guitars are good on these.

I also got a nice dark brown wood with mine, which I am very happy about it as it looks real nice. No creaking or clicky clacky with my set either.

ZMF pads and the Mayflower ring will help a lot the bass response. EQ will also help and finally a pro audio power amp will really bring them to life especially if
you add an ifi usb 3.0 Nano after your pc and before our source.

 

[AudioManNewb]

Never tried that soundcard but I was not impressed with the Z or ZXR when I tried them, not sure how much of an improvement the AE-5 is as it uses a totally new amp design. Z and ZXR were using the standard TI amp designs that are pretty bland sounding to me.

Burson Fun Vivid is a wonderful amplifier and for me was a worthwhile upgrade over what I had. It goes really well with planar magnetic especially as Burson said they designed their new amp line with Audeze in mind. Huge amount of power, I cant go past 12 o clock with the TR60RP without it being way too loud, and this is with my Topping D50 attenuating the signal by -6db. Without that attenuation its hard for me to make it to 9 o clock. Not sure how people listen to these at higher voltages to be honest, it would pop my eardrums to go much louder. IT has ended my search for amps as it is my favorite I have tried (and I have tried too damn many)

The Vivid op amps to me have an effect similar to the Creative crystallizer effect which tries to make music sound more dynamic. I think the op amps sound better than the creative one does as its more subtle and better executed. I notice the most improvement on lower DR songs, it makes them sound more open and dynamic. YOu can turn that on if you dont use it already to get a idea of what they do, though again I think they do it much better. The creative one can be quite harsh in the highs, the Vivid op amps are not to me.

I am curious to everyone who is using speaker amps to pump ridiculous amounts of watts into the RP drivers, are you actually putting more than 3 watts into it? If so does it not destroy the drivers? They are only rated for 3W maximum. Or are you actually giving it less than 3W and using the super powered amps to give it more current?

In my experience and from what I read its the current that is more important than the voltage for Planars, so I could see that offering some kind of improvement.

Awesome think I will save up for that Burson Fun Vivid V6 I always liked the crystallizer effect except when you add to much the highs will get harsh. I would say the AE-5 is definitely an improvement over the Z which I owned but it gives off this feeling that there is better out there.

 

[DVB18]

Has anybody tried these headphones with ibasso dx90? I just did, and although not being able to be driven to the full by ibasso, the combo sounds altogether smooth and appealing. I'm not very happy with my ath m50 combined with ibasso dx90 because of somewhat muddy and persisting treble, as well as some male voices being just...unrecognizable (Chris Rea, for instance, lacking his genuine "chestiness" and overtones). Other than that , m50 does its job pretty well and I won't trade it for some trendy meze 99 classic or Bang and Olufsen H6, for instance. That said, I found myself attached to the delivery of fostex, although the scene seemed to be somewhat more distanced from the listener (but no more hammering treble!).
Any thoughts on headphones with the same sound stylistics possible with ibasso dx90, but clearly with less impedance at the same time? Well, actually any type (iem's, closed, semi-open etc.) is welcome. Thank you!

 

[Artyouth]

Has anybody tried these headphones with ibasso dx90? I just did, and although not being able to be driven to the full by ibasso, the combo sounds altogether smooth and appealing. I'm not very happy with my ath m50 combined with ibasso dx90 because of somewhat muddy and persisting treble, as well as some male voices being just...unrecognizable (Chris Rea, for instance, lacking his genuine "chestiness" and overtones). Other than that , m50 does its job pretty well and I won't trade it for some trendy meze 99 classic or Bang and Olufsen H6, for instance. That said, I found myself attached to the delivery of fostex, although the scene seemed to be somewhat more distanced from the listener (but no more hammering treble!).
Any thoughts on headphones with the same sound stylistics possible with ibasso dx90, but clearly with less impedance at the same time? Well, actually any type (iem's, closed, semi-open etc.) is welcome. Thank you!

I have Meze99 classic gold. Don't think it's trendy but sound signature quite similar(but more punchy) to T60 on my ears. And it's really really easy to drive.

 

[DVB18]

I have Meze99 classic gold. Don't think it's trendy but sound signature quite similar(but more punchy) to T60 on my ears. And it's really really easy to drive.

It depends on the area, of course, but nowadays people tend to mention meze 99 classic immediately when you ask them for advice about "one notable step forward" after m50, and there are plenty of shops of audio equipment promoting them in this role. I've listened to meze with ibasso dx 50, ibasso dx 90 and cayin n5-2. In each combination I found them extremely overpriced: as for dx 90, for instance, I definitely disliked the lack of depth and "air" in presentation. Overall, this juicy, somewhat "slow - dark" sound just doesn't go well with what I expect. But maybe it's just me, as lots of people do like meze heartily