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Ears will definitely adjust to the sound over time. I don’t see how the headphone can physically ‘burn-in’.
you made me lol! I stupidly thought "his boss gives him a budget to buy headphones for work?!" yeah, real dumb I know....I agree with this assessment. I listened to The Police DTS CD with the Utopia and it was amazing. I've heard those songs a 1,000 times and yet I heard so many new things I couldn't keep up. I was all set to get them but then made the mistake of mentioning the cost to the boss. So now I am getting the Clears instead .
That would be a simple pick from me. you cover an absurd amount of ground with that combo.Such as? İ am at the same boat
Hugo2 maybe?
completely agree. I think that would be a smashing combo. You get the detail monster Utopia with the speed and more "in your face" presentation, and the Z1R is the more fun and laid back can (compared to the Utopia its laid back).do you find that the utopia's and z1r's sound signatures complement each other, and how do they compare?
Z1R's build to me is only second to the HD800. The T1 is really high up there because of the pillow pads lol (love those pads...)I don’t think you can wear them for 8 hrs and still feel comfortable, cause they are still heavy compared to headphones like z1r and TH900. I’m fine with z1r and T1 for long term use. Uto is certainly comfortable for first 2-3 hrs.
You use the Utopia for gaming??I find the Utopia to be a very comfortable headphone. So much so that I recently have been using them for gaming as well where I can end up having some pretty long sessions (up to 8 hours) and not have any discomfort.
If someone were to have discomfort, I would point my finger at the stock cable. I ditched mine a long time ago but that thing is absolutely awful and I still don't know what Focal was thinking... it's the type of cable you would find on a vacuum cleaner; very stiff, heavy and inflexible.
Sure, the headphone itself is heavier than others but the premium materials in the headband and ear pads more than makes up for it personally, YMMV of course.
As a reference, I was using the HD800 mostly for long gaming sessions and that thing is super light and also very comfortable.
I'll try to not start a war, but similar to how your cars engine can burn in. Car manuals will encourage you to drive it on the highway for X amount of miles to "burn" it it. The headphone has moving parts inside of it so its of the same nature.Ears will definitely adjust to the sound over time. I don’t see how the headphone can physically ‘burn-in’.
Hehe...not only that.but the wires need to make a track..no pond intendedyou made me lol! I stupidly thought "his boss gives him a budget to buy headphones for work?!" yeah, real dumb I know....
I am glad that you got to get a pair of Clears! You could do wayyyyyyy worse, and to quote @TSAVJason "they don't suck" lol.
That would be a simple pick from me. you cover an absurd amount of ground with that combo.
completely agree. I think that would be a smashing combo. You get the detail monster Utopia with the speed and more "in your face" presentation, and the Z1R is the more fun and laid back can (compared to the Utopia its laid back).
Z1R's build to me is only second to the HD800. The T1 is really high up there because of the pillow pads lol (love those pads...)
You use the Utopia for gaming??
Wow... I feel bad for you, I use the HE1 as my gaming can.
Totally messing (I use the HD800 btw) but the Utopia has to be really fun for that!
I'm curious about your gaming set up? PM me if you have the time to talk gaming.
I'll try to not start a war, but similar to how your cars engine can burn in. Car manuals will encourage you to drive it on the highway for X amount of miles to "burn" it it. The headphone has moving parts inside of it so its of the same nature.
I'll try to not start a war, but similar to how your cars engine can burn in. Car manuals will encourage you to drive it on the highway for X amount of miles to "burn" it it. The headphone has moving parts inside of it so its of the same nature.
No! The cable and the cable inside utopia needs to make a path. road or burn in!!!Very familiar with break-in for cars, I'm currently breaking in the replacement engine for one of mine. Mechanical break-in for car components is understandable due to effects of friction and wear, lubrication, thermal changes, seals, tolerances, etc. - a large number of moving parts working together under very demanding and varying conditions.
With the Utopia, the mechanical aspects are much more basic than a car engine, and are explained well in the head-fi video by Jude. The driver dome is intended to be rigid, and any permanent deformation over time would indicate damage or a defective dome. The driver surround is intended to be very flexible, and permanent deformation of the surround would also indicate damage or a defective surround; we also don't want the surround to become detached from the dome or the frame around the surround. The voice coil conducts the current and it's important that it not permanently deform, nor become detached from the dome. The magnets don't have moving parts, and we don't want the field strength to change with time. The only other component which could deform and change the sound is the earpads, and a change in the earpads could affect the sound substantially, but that change would only occur by wearing the headphones and isn't part of what people think of as burn-in. That seems to cover all the components, so I'd be interested in a hypothesis or explanation of how burn-in could work. Does Focal indicate that burn-in is needed?
One thing we know is that our ears/brains adjust quite a bit to the sound headphones deliver. Try listening to the Utopia for a while, then immediately switch to a warmer headphone like the LCD-2 or LCD-3. The LCD will initially seem muddy and veiled, but over time the sound will be perceived as more balanced and detail will return. Then immediately switch to the Utopia, and it will seem bright and thin, but over time, the sense of brightness will diminish and the bass will return. These perceptual adjustment effects take place over multiple timeframes - seconds, minutes, hours, and maybe even longer.
Given the lack of basis for significant mechanical burn-in, and the readily apparent perceptual adjustment of our ears/brains, IMO perceived burn-in is likely entirely or almost entirely due to psychoacoustic rather than mechanical changes.
No! The cable and the cable inside utopia needs to make a path. road or burn in!!!
you made me lol! I stupidly thought "his boss gives him a budget to buy headphones for work?!" yeah, real dumb I know....
I am glad that you got to get a pair of Clears! You could do wayyyyyyy worse, and to quote @TSAVJason "they don't suck" lol.
That would be a simple pick from me. you cover an absurd amount of ground with that combo.
completely agree. I think that would be a smashing combo. You get the detail monster Utopia with the speed and more "in your face" presentation, and the Z1R is the more fun and laid back can (compared to the Utopia its laid back).
Z1R's build to me is only second to the HD800. The T1 is really high up there because of the pillow pads lol (love those pads...)
You use the Utopia for gaming??
Wow... I feel bad for you, I use the HE1 as my gaming can.
Totally messing (I use the HD800 btw) but the Utopia has to be really fun for that!
I'm curious about your gaming set up? PM me if you have the time to talk gaming.
I'll try to not start a war, but similar to how your cars engine can burn in. Car manuals will encourage you to drive it on the highway for X amount of miles to "burn" it it. The headphone has moving parts inside of it so its of the same nature.
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Well you have the gum that the berylium is attached toWe're talking about mechanical burn-in. If you want to argue that there's significant electrical burn-in which could affect the sound, that's a non-starter for me, and that would probably need to be discussed in the Sound Science section of the forum.
im in total agreeance on mental burn in, which I think can be HUGE when listening to one headphone to the next.Very familiar with break-in for cars, I'm currently breaking in the replacement engine for one of mine. Mechanical break-in for car components is understandable due to effects of friction and wear, lubrication, thermal changes, seals, tolerances, etc. - a large number of moving parts working together under very demanding and varying conditions.
With the Utopia, the mechanical aspects are much more basic than a car engine, and are explained well in the head-fi video by Jude. The driver dome is intended to be rigid, and any permanent deformation over time would indicate damage or a defective dome. The driver surround is intended to be very flexible, and permanent deformation of the surround would also indicate damage or a defective surround; we also don't want the surround to become detached from the dome or the frame around the surround. The voice coil conducts the current and it's important that it not permanently deform, nor become detached from the dome. The magnets don't have moving parts, and we don't want the field strength to change with time. The only other component which could deform and change the sound is the earpads, and a change in the earpads could affect the sound substantially, but that change would only occur by wearing the headphones and isn't part of what people think of as burn-in. That seems to cover all the components, so I'd be interested in a hypothesis or explanation of how burn-in could work. Does Focal indicate that burn-in is needed?
One thing we know is that our ears/brains adjust quite a bit to the sound headphones deliver. Try listening to the Utopia for a while, then immediately switch to a warmer headphone like the LCD-2 or LCD-3. The LCD will initially seem muddy and veiled, but over time the sound will be perceived as more balanced and detail will return. Then immediately switch to the Utopia, and it will seem bright and thin, but over time, the sense of brightness will diminish and the bass will return. These perceptual adjustment effects take place over multiple timeframes - seconds, minutes, hours, and maybe even longer.
Given the lack of basis for significant mechanical burn-in, and the readily apparent perceptual adjustment of our ears/brains, IMO perceived burn-in is likely entirely or almost entirely due to psychoacoustic rather than mechanical changes.
Yeah you do you silly goose. That quote totally stuck with me since I never heard it before as a "saying". I thought it was awesome. Usually people talk about how good something is, but not you, "it doesn't suck" hahaWait! I say things like that? lol yeah I guess I do. I’m such a potty mouth hahahaha
Yeah you do you silly goose. That quote totally stuck with me since I never heard it before as a "saying". I thought it was awesome. Usually people talk about how good something is, but not you, "it doesn't suck" haha
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You use the Utopia for gaming??
Wow... I feel bad for you, I use the HE1 as my gaming can.
Totally messing (I use the HD800 btw) but the Utopia has to be really fun for that!
I'm curious about your gaming set up? PM me if you have the time to talk gaming.