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Yup I am waiting on the Z1R as well. Please come home for (an early) Christmas....
I can not wait to see the used Z1R pricing . There are always first adapters who move on so fast just like proton
Yup I am waiting on the Z1R as well. Please come home for (an early) Christmas....
I can not wait to see the used Z1R pricing
Thanks thatonenoob great impressions. Just wondering bass aside did you find the TH900 had any other similarities to either of the Focal's? I'm wondering about the tuning? I found the TH900 to have a slightly euphoric tuning as opposed to the HD800 more technical & neutral sound. I'm actually a big fan of both the HD800 & the TH900 each headphone has distinct advantages with different music genres.
Very interesting review. Curious how the HD 800 S still matches it and beats it in so many areas (midrange, highs, clarity/detail, imaging/soundstage and separation) yet the overall sound seems to be more fun on the Utopia. I guess what matters is the overall tap-your-foot feeling we get, but considering that the Utopia cost more than TWICE the 800s price, it seems a bit hard to justify. I'll try to hear them to see what the magic is all about.
What about build quality in general? Is it at the level of the best? Something to last 30 years?
For what it's worth, I disagree that the 800S beats it in all those areas. The Utopia is clearly better in midrange, clarity, detail and imaging to my ears. These specific categories, along with bass, are what separate it from the Sennheisers for me.
But as he said, some of it will really come down to personal preference. The soundstage and highs, I think will be very preference-based and I know people that prioritize those two over everything else (looking at you, Luke!).
I agree with your assessment. In addition, the treble in the Utopia outperforms the HD800 S. About the only thing that the HD800 S does that is bigger (but not better) is having a larger sound stage. In comparison I find the HD800 S's sound stage to be artificially large. In short, there is nothing about the HD800 S that I think is technically superior to the Utopia.
Interesting points raised. For me, an overly large sound-stage or disorienting sound would be a matter to be handled under the overall coherence and cohesiveness of sound. But if we're going to compare these points directly, the HD800S does technically have a larger soundstage, more air, more separation to my ears. I think it's also quite indicative of different forms and methods of assessment and consideration of sound. For me, the technical advantages of the HD800S does not always lend itself to sonic advantages.
Yup I am waiting on the Z1R as well. Please come home for (an early) Christmas....
I think you were clear in your comparison for these two. Calling out some specific capabilities for the 800S, but the overall preference for the Utopia.
"I’m actually surprised that the HD 800S put up such a good fight in terms of technical capability. It’s still going toe to toe with a headphone that is more than twice its price. However, if we’re going to deal with the general tonality and continuity of sound, Utopia is my choice by far."
Reality is that, in the current context of TOTL headphones, the HD800S is now a value-priced headphone with a Sennheiser sound that many still appreciate for what it is. I think the HD800S will be around for a long time, similar to the lifespan of the HD600. But it would be interesting to see what Sennheiser would/could deliver for $4000. No doubt they have R&D projects ongoing for the next flagship entry.
Ha...I thought you had some time with them at IFA? Need a closed back can for my late night listening session and it's basically down to either Z1R or Ether C Flow for me at this moment, hoping to audition both soon :wink_face:
I agree with your assessment. In addition, the treble in the Utopia outperforms the HD800 S. About the only thing that the HD800 S does that is bigger (but not better) is having a larger sound stage. In comparison I find the HD800 S's sound stage to be artificially large. In short, there is nothing about the HD800 S that I think is technically superior to the Utopia.