flinkenick's 17 Flagship IEM Shootout Thread (and general high-end portable audio discussion)
Sep 21, 2017 at 11:28 AM Post #4,726 of 39,414
whats the difference btw stereophile and audiophile?

A stereophile is into music first and foremost, it's all about the music. Music is our life and frankly an essential part that we can't live without. An audiophile will listen to music with little interest just to hear more micro-details whereas for the stereophile the added resolution is awesome because it brings us closer to the music we love. The love of music is always first above audio quality for the stereophile. I have over 4,000 rock and metal albums and I've recently branched out into synthwave/retrowave/outrun genres. I've been building my music collection for over 15 years, I would be devastated if I lost it. The expensive audiogear is only there to bring me closer to the music, not for it's own technical sake. Audiophiles typically prefer Jazz music and for good reason, it is often extremely well recorded and due to the style of the music makes a great benchmark for testing gear. I will also use the best recorded Jazz to benchmark my gear but despise listening to it for enjoyment.
 
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Sep 21, 2017 at 11:31 AM Post #4,727 of 39,414
A stereophile is into music first and foremost, it's all about the music. Music is our life and frankly an essential part that we can't live without. An audiophile will listen to music with little interest just to hear more micro-details whereas for the stereophile the added resolution is awesome because it brings us closer to the music we love. The love of music is always first above audio quality for the stereophile. I have over 4,000 rock and metal albums and I've recently branched out into synthwave/retrowave/outrun genres.
i see, does being stereophile and focusing more on music than gear lead to being
"continuously wowed by my A18's and Zeus XR's as well as Hugo2 and Mojo"?

I would imagine, people who are more into music than gear tend to forget the gear?
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 11:35 AM Post #4,728 of 39,414
i see, does being stereophile and focusing more on music than gear lead to being
"continuously wowed by my A18's and Zeus XR's as well as Hugo2 and Mojo"?

I would imagine, people who are more into music than gear tend to forget the gear?

When I'm really into the music everything else disappears and it's just the music, this is one of the hallmarks of high quality transparent audio gear. With higher quality gear, the music is more affecting. The gear brings me closer to the music, allows me to hear more emotion and detail into the sound. For example, I was listening to Black Label's Blessed Hellride yesterday with Hugo2 and A18, the entire sound was more dynamic, the stage much taller, Zach's voice had much more emotion and effect on me, I also heard a ton more micro details. I was more affected by the music and for that I am grateful. The obvious differences these two devices provided jumped out at me, it was obvious and spectacular. In other words, it's not audio quality for audio quality's sake. It's audio quality for music's sake.
 
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Sep 21, 2017 at 11:59 AM Post #4,729 of 39,414
A stereophile is into music first and foremost, it's all about the music. Music is our life and frankly an essential part that we can't live without. An audiophile will listen to music with little interest just to hear more micro-details whereas for the stereophile the added resolution is awesome because it brings us closer to the music we love. The love of music is always first above audio quality for the stereophile. I have over 4,000 rock and metal albums and I've recently branched out into synthwave/retrowave/outrun genres. I've been building my music collection for over 15 years, I would be devastated if I lost it. The expensive audiogear is only there to bring me closer to the music, not for it's own technical sake. Audiophiles typically prefer Jazz music and for good reason, it is often extremely well recorded and due to the style of the music makes a great benchmark for testing gear. I will also use the best recorded Jazz to benchmark my gear but despise listening to it for enjoyment.

Well, that's not entirely fair; I attend the annual Java Jazz Festival every year and I've had infinitely more fun at those than any rock/metal concert I've been to, with the one exception being Don Airey's gig at MusikMesse; that was friggin' stellar! Of course, as always, different strokes for different folks.
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 12:10 PM Post #4,730 of 39,414
When I'm really into the music everything else disappears and it's just the music
That is what it is about for me. I listen to a lot of classical music, which is technically very demanding and thus benefits from better gear, but it is the music I care about. I even study the music and read up on the stories behind the different pieces. So many classical pieces have wonderful background stories that are contained in the music, how it flows, how instruments are positioned and work in harmony. I love learning about that and then studying the music as I listen to it. That is why I am trying to improve my reviewing skills.

I now have two new collections of Beethoven's symphonies coming in and that will give me three widely different interpretations. Rattle's fast and furious modern interpretation makes Beethoven's No.3 seem like a whirlwind compared to Karajan's 1970's No.3 and then there is one which is played with period instruments, which are physically impossible to play at such speeds and sound much more analogue. I am going to really enjoy studying all three!
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 12:12 PM Post #4,731 of 39,414
Singaporeans, I summon thee!

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Sep 21, 2017 at 1:40 PM Post #4,733 of 39,414
That is what it is about for me. I listen to a lot of classical music, which is technically very demanding and thus benefits from better gear, but it is the music I care about. I even study the music and read up on the stories behind the different pieces. So many classical pieces have wonderful background stories that are contained in the music, how it flows, how instruments are positioned and work in harmony. I love learning about that and then studying the music as I listen to it. That is why I am trying to improve my reviewing skills.

I now have two new collections of Beethoven's symphonies coming in and that will give me three widely different interpretations. Rattle's fast and furious modern interpretation makes Beethoven's No.3 seem like a whirlwind compared to Karajan's 1970's No.3 and then there is one which is played with period instruments, which are physically impossible to play at such speeds and sound much more analogue. I am going to really enjoy studying all three!
The history of the musicians and the process of their struggle/joy in my case help improve the appreciation for the music. It's a wonderful experience IMO, to be fully immersed in such listening experience. History rules! :D
 
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Sep 21, 2017 at 1:52 PM Post #4,734 of 39,414
The history of the musicians and the process of their struggle/joy in my case help improve the appreciation for music. It's a wonderful experience IMO, to be fully immersed in such listening experience. History rules! :D
I know! History rules, and I get to do it professionally! :D Now if only someone would provide me with some ruddy funding... :sweat_smile:
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 2:23 PM Post #4,735 of 39,414
I've been listening to bandcamp via Bluetooth all day. Sounds incredible from Hugo2. I've noticed when I'm using Hugo2 instead of just plugging my headphones into the phone (since Mojo will not work with bandcamp on S8E (it did on S7E)), I click the wishlist/buy buttom way more. Already today I've bought several albums, that never happens and wishlisted probably 30 or 40, even from genres I don't typically wishlist/buy. Everything just sounds better, especially vocals.
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 3:08 PM Post #4,736 of 39,414

But, you know what you can't hear at Indulgence?

The Zeus-XR // 2-wire 1960s // AK70-Kai Super-Combo!!

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I decided to take it slow, and try the AK70-Kai first, wanting to explore the differences between it and my daily driver, the Onkyo DP-X1. Please do keep in mind that the following impressions were taken with an Empire Ears Zeus-XR and an Effect Audio Lionheart, with a merely basic recollection of the stock AK70's sound.

And, before I go into the sound of the AK70-Kai, I must explain that this mod was done by Ryuzoh of Musashi Sound Tech, Japan. It's a pretty extensive revamp of the AK70's internal components, including op-amp swaps, clock changes, cap replacement, etc. Apart from affecting the sound of the product, it does add a tiny bit of hiss; it now hisses a hair less than my DP-X1, which is still great and absolutely negligible once any semblance of music starts playing. It also requires you to wait, after music stops playing, 3-5 seconds before you unplug the cable from your player. Once this time passes, the amp circuit will shut off and you can safely unplug your IEM; if you unplug your IEM suddenly, you'll hear a pretty loud pop on the left side, which I reckon isn't too healthy for all parties involved. I'm not sure if you can discuss any specialised alterations to the mod with Ryuzoh to prevent this from occurring, but it is the case for the standard mod. Now, with that out of the way, into the sound impressions!

As usual, we start from the bottom. The AK70-Kai's bass is simply awesome, and there's really no other way I can put it. It trumps the DP-X1's bottom end in terms of impact, resolution, layering, and most of all, isolation. The DP-X1's bass has a tendency to blend with the lower-midrange, mostly because they share similar tonalities, positions in the soundscape, and dynamics. The AK70-Kai avoids this altogether; the bass hits harder, has a more natural tone, and has brilliant texture to counterbalance its richness and roundedness. What sets it apart, literally, is its depth; the AK70-Kai's bottom-end is placed deeper in the soundscape. This does two things: Firstly, it separates it from the rest of the frequency range without losing linearity. Secondly, placing it deeper into the mix compensates for how warm and impactful it is, such that when it does hit, it aligns perfectly to the lower-midrange. Air is one thing the mod thankfully doesn't sacrifice in doing this, and extension has also been given a healthy boost, adding incredibly satisfying rumble and physicality to baritone instruments and bass notes.

The AK70-Kai's lower-midrange is the first place where I'd knock off some points against it; it isn't as bodied, natural and smooth as it was stock, and also less so than the DP-X1. However, where it gains back those points is in texture and resolution. Listening to cellos and bass trombones are simply entirely different experiences, with jaw-dropping texture, rumble, and dynamics; you can literally feel the bow pull against the string and the body of the instruments vibrating into the microphone. The middle midrange retains its intimacy from the stock AK70, sounding overall more focused, energised, and engaging than the laid-back and nonchalant DP-X1. An interesting quirk that's resulted from this is the more intimate presentation of the AK70-Kai can be mistaken for it having a smaller soundstage than the DP-X1, especially in terms of vocals. However, only after listening to enough material, can you truly tell that the AK70-Kai's soundstage actually expands further, wider, and taller than that of the DP-X1. But, the recording has to take advantage of that added space.

Finally, treble-wise, the AK70-Kai and the DP-X1 have entirely different presentations. The AK70-Kai has a brighter treble that's better at keeping you on your toes, providing clarity to counteract its rich musicality, but is less forgiving to peaks in either the recording or the IEM. The upper-midrange of the AK70-Kai has been given some sparkle and air, and it's done both good and bad. Thankfully, the AK70-Kai's tonal balance has been kept intact, but it is more prone to sibilance than the stock AK70, and isn't necessarily as liquid-sounding and buttery-rich. However, what this compromise has been made for, is fantastic L/R/C separation, impressive imaging, and clarity. The AK70-Kai has left-right-and-centre separation that is only second to devices such as the SP1000, WM1Z, and Hugo 2. It's the one thing I realised the DP-X1 never even had; the ability to hear every instrument as they were laid out in the mix, and even hear entire trips when instruments cross the centre-image as they go from left to right, and right to left in Michael Jackson's most fancily-mixed records. It's a unique experience I've only had to the pleasure of hearing in much pricier gear, and its a compromise I'm willing to make for a "hotter" treble.

And then... I put a 2-wire 1960s into the mix...

The 1960s immediately gives the entire presentation a blacker background, improving dynamics, decay and micro-detail retrieval. Surprisingly, it isn't as dark and ultra-rich as I remembered the MS demo to be; I reckon it's a matter of source-matching. Despite this, though, the upper-mid heat that the AK70-Kai was giving me is now attenuated with the 1960s, and resolution has increased by means of extension (especially up-top). The 1960s has also given the Zeus's bass a more rounded and full quality, sacrificing some air for a more natural timbre, and further built upon the AK70-Kai's beautifully textured lower midrange with a more bodied, weighty, and thick presentation, making it sound all the more visceral and physical. A welcome surprise was immense soundstage expansion, but without the recession or pushing back of vocals. The 1960s inherently has a forward and bodied midrange, and this has allowed the XR and the AK70-Kai to maintain their intimacy, engagement and power, whilst pushing everything else on the horizon further horizontally and vertically. Soundstage height is a real highlight with this cable, and it has made the Zeus's soundstage proportionally huge, with linear dimensions in width, depth, and height. It's a cable that complements everything the Zeus and AK70-Kai already do so well, and even corrects some of the issues I've found with the pairing. It's not as ambitious resolution-wise, imaging-wise, texture-wise and expansion-wise as the 4-wire version, but I definitely prefer the 2-wire version in terms of tonality... and pricing! :D

Now, it's definitely worth noting that I've only clocked in a mere couple of hours of listening to this combo, but it's certainly the first time I've felt like I've come close to unlocking the Zeus-XR's fullest potential. I posted a while ago on the EE thread (and maybe this thread as well) that I've been perplexed by the XR, because I think it's an absolute monster of an IEM, but it constantly feels like it has more room to grow. I can honestly and happily say that now, that room has gotten significantly smaller, and I've finally felt like I've done the XR a complete and absolute justice; going anywhere further than this would be a pure luxury. I hope you've all had a jolly good time reading these impressions and please feel free to ask any questions you'd like about the combo; I'll be more than happy to entertain you lot :p

Until next time (which is probably in the next couple of minutes), mi amigos...

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Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM Post #4,737 of 39,414
My question as well... I thought Stereophile was just a magazine for audiophiles...(think "music lover first" is what is meant here).
 
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Sep 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM Post #4,738 of 39,414
Hugo2 does sound appealing, though, as does u18 and some of the other TOTL headphones noted here. Of course, you get up to spending a down payment on a car...
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM Post #4,739 of 39,414
Hugo2 does sound appealing, though, as does u18 and some of the other TOTL headphones noted here. Of course, you get up to spending a down payment on a car...

I used the term my own way, familiar with the classic magazine think it's the perfect word to describe what I mean.
 
Sep 21, 2017 at 5:27 PM Post #4,740 of 39,414
So I've been demoing the Hugo2. One of the biggest frustrations with the Mojo is that with my S8E, the only app that can send it audio is UAPP via it's proprietary driver. Now I can finally run bandcamp to a Chord device again (Mojo worked fine with S7E). This is a huge selling point for me. A18 and Zeus pair magnificently with hugo2. Incredible sounding device, it's going to be very difficult to let this go and know what I'm missing now. In a very real sense, I wish I'd never heard it before. I am very tempted to sell a ton of stuff and put all that toward Hugo2. Now if only Chord had B stock!
A side benefit of review junkies like us is that you can plug two sets of CIEM demos in side by side and A/B them easily assuming volume matching is not an issue. It was so good, it looks like I am going to get one myself. I have not heard any other player that so easily puts my WM1A and especially my Calyx M in its place so easily - its that good. The weird thing about it is that it is that it doesn't impress immediately, but it grows on you over time where you become childish when someone tries to take it away from you........MINE!!!!
 

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