FiiO X7 Mk II 2GB RAM + 64GB ROM + ESS9028 PRO + Balanced + DSD + BT 4.1 aptX + Dual mSD + Dual Band WiFi + Opt Out
Dec 20, 2017 at 1:04 PM Post #3,436 of 6,207
Yesterday I met a person who insisted that the same file played from CD and from HDD might sound different, for the same file exactly, so I'm really trying to give everything the option to sound true.

What has that got to do with one digital output sounding better than another? Ever entertain the thought that the person who told you this is clearly wrong? If the file is exactly the same and is being played via the same DAC = how can there be a difference.

I think that, if everything said in all the papers is true, the Digital out should have better clocks or something like that, while the OTG isn't affected by those. I think they were named timers, or anti-jitter, I noticed that a lot of DAPs feature the signal passing through those before going to coaux, while this isn't true for OTG.
Have you ever heard jitter? What does it sound like? I think you need to actually do some research my friend. Jitter hasn't been an issue for at least the last 20 years unless the components have intentionally been designed poorly. I can assure you the X7iis aren't a poor design.

Whether this is audible or not, I still need to test, this is why I went with *probably* there.
So don't make the statement / answer to a query unless you actually know. Otherwise your reply is simply noise. Heaven knows the SNR on the whole forum is bad enough at the best of times.

What I can say though is that the digital out is much more trusty that the OTG out, at least for me.
Yet you haven't tested it (by your own admission).

Looks like it would last better to usage, with the shape of the connectors looking like that, while OTG might place strain on the connector in just one direction, and it might be less resistant to strain. I hadn't had either break on me, but just saying, I like how the co-ax feels much better.
So while that might remain in the *probably* territory, the fact that the connectors shape and reliability is better in the long run, is kinda true.

What does this have to do with this:
I don't have the original X7 on my hand, but I don't think USB OTG for a transport, works, but I am absolutely sure that it works as a transport using its digital out. since it has a dedicated digital out, it will probably sound better than the USB OTG anyways.
 
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Dec 20, 2017 at 3:54 PM Post #3,437 of 6,207
What has that got to do with one digital output sounding better than another? Ever entertain the thought that the person who told you this is clearly wrong? If the file is exactly the same and is being played via the same DAC = how can there be a difference.


Have you ever heard jitter? What does it sound like? I think you need to actually do some research my friend. Jitter hasn't been an issue for at least the last 20 years unless the components have intentionally been designed poorly. I can assure you the X7iis aren't a poor design.


So don't make the statement / answer to a query unless you actually know. Otherwise your reply is simply noise. Heaven knows the SNR on the whole forum is bad enough at the best of times.


Yet you haven't tested it (by your own admission).



What does this have to do with this:

You're too triggered about something :smile_phones:

I said that "probably". I do not know. I let people decide whether it does or not. Some people hear different sound for different transports.

I tried different transports, but it always too me a while to set up the new transport so cannot do side-by-side proper comparisons.

A lot of people explained that the transport can change the signature more due to the current in the signal rather than the data. I'm a skeptical like you, so I cannot say for sure. The probably part is what should be bolded.

As for why OTG is inferior to coaxial in my experience, if you really want me to give you a proper explanation, I will:

I always had signal dropouts with OTG to a USB DAC, with every single device I used OTG with. Sometimes it happened after ten minutes, sometimes only once or twice in an hour. I had a few USB DACs so far, and who knows what was not working at its best, maybe the microUSB was a bit loose, maybe the OTG cable was, maybe the OTG adapter itself didn't have the most reliable connection, but since it kept annoying me, I gave up on using OTG entirely and I rely more on either Digital out, APT-X BT, or the HO / LO of that device. I tested and tested, and I almost always lost the signal once in a 3-hour car trip (which is the only practical situation when I use OTG), so this is why at the end I hold the digital out in higher regards. I want to stress that I do review the "portable usage" part of a device when it is meant to be portable, I don't consider OTG a desktop solution, so if moving the cables might cut the signal in the solo of my favorite metal song (keeping in mind that I move and dance while listening to music), then I will stop using OTG in favor of another solution. You can notice that I rarely recommend OTG based DACs and such, I don't usually recommend OTG based storage either because of this. Typce-C and MicroUSB are both best if not placed under strain, and even as careful as I am with those, I still fear they might break.

And for the sake of it, I own multiple OTG cables, multiple USB DACs, two smartphones and a few DAPs, so I guess that my portable usage just placed too much strain on those cables to keep the OTG going properly. I will not recommend OTG over coaxial or other digital, I think that it is a "sacrifice solution", not because of a DAP or such, but because of the connector design itself. OTG cables are also short, kinda thick, and they always sit in tension.

Mojo was the worst in this aspect, not only it barely connected to anything I tried to connect it to via OTG, the signal was not stable. Again, I might only have broken cables, those are really cheap here, there is no brand making proper OTG and all of them are off-brand OTG adapters, so they are the weakest link in those chains, but why bother when FiiO has included a snazzy coaxial output and all
 
Dec 21, 2017 at 5:18 AM Post #3,439 of 6,207
You're too triggered about something :smile_phones:

No I’m not. I just sick of people giving advice with no basis in fact. You advised someone coax should sound better than digital out via USB - then when I pointed out that had no basis in fact (and you hadn’t in fact tested it), you started to blather on about OTG and connections (which has zero to do with the question you answered). Why offer an opinion at all if you have no experience with it. Again SNR - it helps no one, not the poster, nor the reputation of this forum .....
 
Dec 21, 2017 at 5:44 AM Post #3,440 of 6,207
May I know if there will be any side effect? @FiiO is the “click click” sound normal?
Dear friend,

When turning on/off and plug/unplug headphone, it would momentary disconnect the connection of the relay. At this time, the headphone is disconnected to the inside of X3 so as to avoid any
sonic boom or abnormal sound. However, the disconnection of the relay depends on the electrical signal which would generate slight sound.

Best regards
 
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Dec 21, 2017 at 5:45 AM Post #3,441 of 6,207
I wanted to try the X7 out as a transport to a Chord Mojo but it doesn't appear to be working right. The music is playing however there doesn't seem to be a signal coming out of the USB OTG to the Mojo. Is there some sort of setting function that I'm missing in order to do this?

Dear friend,

You may try other APP to see if it helps currently? We are still improving the USB audio function for FiiO Music. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards
 
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Dec 21, 2017 at 5:48 AM Post #3,442 of 6,207
Wow, i love that this thread is so alive! Appreciate all he informative discussions taking place.

Quick question to the experts here. Wondering if anyone else here pairs the x7 ii with a Fiio K5 amp with a Windows PC? The reason that i ask is because I've ran into some connection issues when in X7 is in docked mode where it likes to disconnect at random. Exiting DAC mode and re-starting will get things running again but sometimes it this can happen multiple times w/in a few minutes of each other. Other times, the DAC will work fine for hours and i can't find any consistencies in what is driving this issue (been trying out different USB cables).

I also have an E17K that i pair with the K5 that seems to be more reliable on this front and curious to see if the issue is common for the device or if it's on my end- maybe my PC has conflicting drivers, etc.
Dear friend,

Would the storage mode work correct while the DAC function meeting this phenomenon? Are there any other operation may lead to that? What about when using the X7 alone?

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Dec 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM Post #3,444 of 6,207
... A lot of people explained that the transport can change the signature more due to the current in the signal rather than the data...

This is hard for me to visualize - There ins't a strong bit or a weak bit, its a 1 or a 0. Integrity of transmited data is assured by transmission protocols, beeing coaxial, BT or wifi, so no room for "more or less", AFAIK.
Its important to know that most people that explain those differences are precisely the same people that have Transports, cables, power supply's, etc to sell, no pun intended, they are doing their job.

But Hey! I know nothing, I'm just the bellow average consumer, all I know I learnt from you guys! :L3000:
 
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Dec 21, 2017 at 11:16 AM Post #3,446 of 6,207
Dear friend,

When turning on/off and plug/unplug headphone, it would momentary disconnect the connection of the relay. At this time, the headphone is disconnected to the inside of X3 so as to avoid any
sonic boom or abnormal sound. However, the disconnection of the relay depends on the electrical signal which would generate slight sound.

Best regards

Thank you so much!
 
Dec 21, 2017 at 9:51 PM Post #3,447 of 6,207
Dear friend,

Would the storage mode work correct while the DAC function meeting this phenomenon? Are there any other operation may lead to that? What about when using the X7 alone?

Best regards

I'm happy to report that I was able to find a solution to the problem.

I plugged the X7 + K5 combo directly into my laptop's USB port and the disconnection issues went away. My laptop only has 2 USB ports so I normally use a powered USB hub for my peripheral needs (10 port hub). E17k + K5 combo that's been in use for a few months never had any issues with this setup so it took me a little bit of trial and error to isolate the issue. It's something I should have thought of before making the post and apologize. *face-palm*

Thank you so much for the help and couldn't be happier with the product.
 
Dec 21, 2017 at 10:11 PM Post #3,449 of 6,207
What do you think the new firmware will bring? seems Fiio just pushed out another update recently for the X5 III, which did some interesting things like boosting the headphone output, wonder if they will add this turbo mode to the X7 MkII as well.

Sorry to revive an old topic but I have been interested in this as well. I recently read the specs on the X5 iii turbo mode and was curious to see if this was going to come to the x7 ii as well.

Please correct me if i'm wrong but my impression from reading various X5 gen 3 reviews is that the balanced output was underwhelming when the unit was released right? If so, was turbo mode possible because the power output was throttled? It would be interesting to see if the x7's has more headroom. I would love to see how well X7 turbo mode could power my newly acquired HD6xx's that arrived a few days ago via balanced cables.


X5 Gen 3 info courtesy of fiio.net:
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Dec 22, 2017 at 4:47 AM Post #3,450 of 6,207
FW1.0.4 for X7MKII is now available:https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fiio-releases-the-new-firmware-fw1-0-4-for-x7mkii.860020/

The following changes and improvements have been made to the FW1.0.4 compared to the FW1.0.3:

1. Added function to jump to the album or artist of the current playing track (click the "…" icon in the Now Playing menu to use this function);
2. Added "Bluetooth never sleep" option (go to Settings->Bluetooth, click the "┇" icon on the upper right, and enter "Sleep Settings" to enable it);
3. Enabled the independent upgrade of FiiO Music app (From now on, we will upgrade FiiO Music app independently);
4. Added charging protection for excessive high or low temperatures;
5. Fixed issue where some tracks might not be played correctly;
6. Fixed issue where the player sometimes might falsely detect an OTA firmware update;
7. Miscellaneous bug fixes.


Notes:
About the Sleep settings of Bluetooth: When the "Intelligent sleep" option is enabled, the player will automatically disconnect the Bluetooth after it enters standby, and you'll need to press the Power button to wake up the player before resuming to play; When the "Never" option is enabled, the player will never enter standby if it's connected to a Bluetooth device, and you can press the Play button on the Bluetooth device at any time to resume the playback. But this will also increase power consumption.



Firmware download:
Please visit the X7MKII support page and download the firmware 1.0.4 from the "Download" section at the bottom right of the page
How to upgrade: Click here.
 
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