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Jul 5, 2019 at 7:47 PM Post #15,182 of 15,779

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good luck to all here
I just got my A&K SR15 and there is a obvious sound quality improvement.
Its not pure android like the fiio but the UI response is fast and the AK player just works.

I wouldn't sell FiiO yet. I would probably make a heavy head from the updated A&K 70 after reading this review ..
https://www.headfonia.com/review-astell-kern-sr15/2/
A 2 year newer $ 700 machine could also have better parameters. Google Play and mainly paid applications without hope, PCM max 192 kHz with problems, only DSD 64 only, AptX only, no cover, connectivity with Mac OS problem, all software goodies that have UAPP for 7 Eur including Tidal, Quobuz, MQA, upsampling, renderer, DLNA. I hope the DAC Cirrus CS43198 Logic is a big difference in sound and equalizes the price difference ...
 
Jul 5, 2019 at 7:55 PM Post #15,183 of 15,779

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Anyone who has suffered Fiio deserves some happy times. Good listening!

It can be said that what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. Good school, just a pretty expensive school cost.
 
Jul 6, 2019 at 6:15 AM Post #15,184 of 15,779

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I wouldn't sell FiiO yet. I would probably make a heavy head from the updated A&K 70 after reading this review ..
https://www.headfonia.com/review-astell-kern-sr15/2/
A 2 year newer $ 700 machine could also have better parameters. Google Play and mainly paid applications without hope, PCM max 192 kHz with problems, only DSD 64 only, AptX only, no cover, connectivity with Mac OS problem, all software goodies that have UAPP for 7 Eur including Tidal, Quobuz, MQA, upsampling, renderer, DLNA. I hope the DAC Cirrus CS43198 Logic is a big difference in sound and equalizes the price difference ...

The only thing thats better on the Fiio is full android and dual SD cards.
Fiio and SR15 only support native DSD up ro DSD64.
SR15 has APTXHD while Fiio has AptX only.
Or are you comparing AK70 with SR15?
People who owned both say SR15 does have slightly better sound.
 
Jul 6, 2019 at 8:35 AM Post #15,185 of 15,779
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The only thing thats better on the Fiio is full android and dual SD cards.
Fiio and SR15 only support native DSD up ro DSD64.
SR15 has APTXHD while Fiio has AptX only.
Or are you comparing AK70 with SR15?
People who owned both say SR15 does have slightly better sound.

Hang on - you'rE comparing a $700 DAP in this thread with one which retails for $280 ????? Put it against the M11 - then its at least fair.
 
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:06 AM Post #15,186 of 15,779

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Headfonia on the SR15: “I heard that their main-sound-engineer spends three days or so without eating before he sets on a device’s signature. While alarming, this also shows quite some dedication to the job.”

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Jul 6, 2019 at 11:02 AM Post #15,188 of 15,779

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Sorry for the AptX HD, the translator probably did not consider HD letters as essential. But this does not change anything on the price / performance ratio. I took into account the original X5-III price of 478 Euros for which it was bought by the first owner of my machine. Today's price of 253 $ at Fiio Shop gives a completely different ratio. Only USB output without SPDIF escaped me. If you didn't read all the readers' posts at least one

MAY 11, 2019
ALEX
I found the gapless to be terrible with high resolution flacs. It’s fine with 16-bit stuff though, but yeah, I’m a tad disappointed with my SR15. I find it lacking in basic stuff, like shuffle play and continuous playback. It doesn’t play the next album it just stalls all the time
 
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Headfonia on the SR15: “I heard that their main-sound-engineer spends three days or so without eating before he sets on a device’s signature. While alarming, this also shows quite some dedication to the job.”

I have no doubt about the hard work of South Korean engineers, seriousness, perseverance, etc. (I am probably the most loyal Samsung jerk - even from Galaxy S with Windows mobile - I've always ended up with Cyanogen mod or LineageOS because of the TouchWiz child extension. Great hardware - crappy software). Even there engineers are going to the maximum.
After two awakened nights, I don't know where my ass is and where my ancestor is.
(I just guess they don't sleep from hunger when they don't eat)
 
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To DSD 64 native short extract from dumpsys media.audio_policy from my FiiO. Certainly delighted, though, that I do not hunt for more-resolution albums than DSD64 (and converted from analog CD by HiRes wizards)

AudioPolicyManager Dump: 0x41427400
Primary Output: 2
Available output devices:
Device 1:
- id: 1
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_EARPIECE
Device 2:
- id: 2
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPEAKER
Device 3:
- id: 3
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPDIF
Device 4:
- id: 9
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADSET
- sampling rates: 44100, 48000, 6000, 8000, 11025, 22050, 16000, 24000, 32000, 64000, 128000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD64, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD128, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD256


Complete log
C:\Users\tibor>cd C:/ADB
C:\ADB>adb devices
List of devices attached
* daemon not running; starting now at tcp:5037
* daemon started successfully
X5 device

C:\ADB>adb shell
shell@rk3188:/ $ dumpsys media.audio_policy
AudioPolicyManager: 0x41427400
Command Thread: 0x41473a60
Tones Thread: 0x41473a00
AudioCommandThread 0x41473a60 Dump
- Commands:
Command Time Wait pParam
Last Command
02 000120.574 0 0x41437988
AudioCommandThread 0x41473a00 Dump
- Commands:
Command Time Wait pParam
Last Command
none

AudioPolicyManager Dump: 0x41427400
Primary Output: 2
Phone state: 0
Force use for communications 0
Force use for media 10
Force use for record 0
Force use for dock 8
Force use for system 0
Force use for hdmi system audio 0
Available output devices:
Device 1:
- id: 1
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_EARPIECE
Device 2:
- id: 2
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPEAKER
Device 3:
- id: 3
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPDIF
Device 4:
- id: 9
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADSET
- sampling rates: 44100, 48000, 6000, 8000, 11025, 22050, 16000, 24000, 32000, 64000, 128000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD64, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD128, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD256

Available input devices:
Device 1:
- id: 8
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_IN_BUILTIN_MIC

HW Modules dump:
- HW Module 1:
- name: primary
- handle: 1
- version: 2.0
- outputs:
output 0:
- name: primary
- sampling rates: 44100, 48000
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0002
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_EARPIECE
Device 2:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPEAKER
Device 3:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADSET
Device 4:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE
Device 5:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_ALL_SCO
Device 6:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPDIF
output 1:
- name: hifi_direct
- sampling rates: 6000, 8000, 11025, 22050, 16000, 24000, 32000, 64000, 128000, 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT, AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD64, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD128, AUDIO_FORMAT_DSD256
- flags: 0x0001
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPEAKER
Device 2:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADSET
Device 3:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE
Device 4:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPDIF
- inputs:
input 0:
- name: primary
- sampling rates: 8000, 11025, 16000, 22050, 32000, 44100
- channel masks: 0x0010, 0x000c
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_IN_BUILTIN_MIC
Device 2:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_IN_BLUETOOTH_SCO_HEADSET
Device 3:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_IN_WIRED_HEADSET
- HW Module 2:
- name: a2dp
- handle: 7
- version: 2.0
- outputs:
output 0:
- name: a2dp
- sampling rates: 44100
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_ALL_A2DP
- HW Module 3:
- name: alsa_usb
- handle: 0
- version: 2.0
- outputs:
output 0:
- name: alsa_usb
- sampling rates: 44100, 48000
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_ANLG_DOCK_HEADSET
Device 2:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_DGTL_DOCK_HEADSET
- inputs:
input 0:
- name: alsa_usb
- sampling rates: 8000, 11025, 16000, 22050, 32000, 44100, 48000
- channel masks: 0x0010, 0x000c
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_IN_ANLG_DOCK_HEADSET
- HW Module 4:
- name: usb
- handle: 8
- version: 2.0
- outputs:
output 0:
- name: usb_accessory
- sampling rates: 44100
- channel masks: 0x0003
- formats: AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_16_BIT
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_USB_ACCESSORY
output 1:
- name: usb_device
- sampling rates: Dynamic
- channel masks: Dynamic
- formats: Dynamic
- flags: 0x0000
- devices:
Device 1:
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_USB_DEVICE

Outputs dump:
- Output 2 dump:
ID: 4
Sampling rate: 48000
Format: 00000001
Channels: 00000003
Latency: 341
Flags 00000002
Devices 00000002
Stream volume refCount muteCount
00 1.000 00 00
01 0.501 00 00
02 1.000 00 00
03 1.000 00 00
04 1.000 00 00
05 1.000 00 00
06 -1.000 00 00
07 0.501 00 00
08 0.501 00 00
09 1.000 00 00
10 1.000 00 00
11 1.000 00 00
12 -1.000 00 00

Inputs dump:

Streams dump:
Stream Can be muted Index Min Index Max Index Cur [device : index]...
00 true 00 05 40000000 : 05,
01 true 00 07 40000000 : 07,
02 true 00 07 40000000 : 07,
03 true 00 120 0004 : 120, 0008 : 120, 40000000 : 120,
04 true 00 07 40000000 : 07,
05 true 00 07 40000000 : 07,
06 true 00 15 40000000 : 15,
07 true 00 07 40000000 : 07,
08 true 00 15 0002 : 15, 40000000 : 15,
09 true 00 15 0002 : 15, 40000000 : 15,
10 true 00 120 0004 : 120, 0008 : 120, 40000000 : 120,
11 true 00 01 40000000 : 00,
12 true 00 01 40000000 : 00,

Total Effects CPU: 0.000000 MIPS, Total Effects memory: 0 KB
Registered effects:

Audio Patches:
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Jul 8, 2019 at 7:32 PM Post #15,191 of 15,779

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Hi guys,I've away for a while, but don't know what happaned with my x5III on last updates. It just became slowww to death. I think it has 2 partitions now, what seems to be a very bad idea to me. All the times my music jumps and get just crappy. What they did to fw? There are some fix or I must move to alternative fw or oy X5 is now a paper weight? (Sry for not doing any any previous research before this post, but I'm very pissed and rather listering to my smartphone than turn on my Slow Motion X5 and get angry!!!)
 
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Hi guys,I've away for a while, but don't know what happaned with my x5III on last updates. It just became slowww to death. I think it has 2 partitions now, what seems to be a very bad idea to me. All the times my music jumps and get just crappy. What they did to fw? There are some fix or I must move to alternative fw or oy X5 is now a paper weight? (Sry for not doing any any previous research before this post, but I'm very pissed and rather listering to my smartphone than turn on my Slow Motion X5 and get angry!!!)
I mean you’re not wrong that later firmwares did actually neuter the device (probably to accommodate less tolerant hardware revisions).
But stock firmware hasn’t been updated since April. What versions did you move to/from?

I think you’ll find some solutions here, they’re not hard to find!
 
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Since the last update I just get no music found every time I switch it on, doesn't matter if I do a scan. Switch it off then next time switch on it's the same.
 
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Jul 21, 2019 at 5:31 PM Post #15,195 of 15,779

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Certainly there are enough users to have half-size optimized * .dsf files on their player.
Maybe everyone knows that the wavpack can be played without converting it to PCM.
Unfortunately, Foobar on PC still directly converts it to PCM, for example DSD64 to PCM 352.8 kHz under Win 10 (OK - 2822400/8 = 352800).
MPD server in Linux probably only can read and play dsf in container wavpack native.
All current live Linux distro is enough, 1 SACD album takes about 3-5 minutes for stereo track.
Very good and simple manual to split SACD iso
https://thepenguin.eu/2017-09-29-how-to-convert-sacd-to-dsf-dff/

Convert dsf to wavpack
https://thepenguin.eu/2018-01-02-losslessly-compressing-dsd-files-with-wavpack/

Unfortunately, our player plays * .wv files only in OMNIA player, AIMP, Foobar2000 and UAPP.
FiiO Music, Hiby Music doesn't even load the file format.
UAPP recognizes, but does not play through the internal DAC, only via USB output to external DAC.
But only when setting the USB audio - DSD to PCM conversion. Very decent.
(The funny thing is that Extream on its website has always refused wavpack with dst support - Tidal, Quobuz, MQA is a more profitable box, I understand)
Omnia Music, Foobar and AIMP read it as 44.1 kHz PCM without external DAC.
But they have the option to resample each one according to their capabilities - OMNIA up to 384 kHz,
and thus processed to an external DAC (unless the default use of external DAC for UAPP is enabled).
Does anyone have a better experience with the new versions of Neutron, ONKYO or Poweramp ?

OMNIA Music.jpg UAPP.jpg
 
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