Empire Ears - Discussion & Impressions (Formerly EarWerkz)
Oct 2, 2021 at 5:19 PM Post #32,986 of 40,577
So today, with huge thanks for my bro @gLer, I got to spend some time with the EVO. While it was not "extensive", it was certainly enough to get a good idea of the sound across a range of genres. I think I had about 40 minutes in a quiet room to play around, and want to report back some SoC notes. All was done using stock cable, with the AET07 tips and the same DAP as I have at home (HiBy R8).

  • They are BIG. Quite physically imposing, but I really dig the design and the smokey, almost-but-not-totally-opaque visual.
  • While not what I would class as uncomfortable, they did not nestle in my ears and "disappear". Even after 40 minutes I could feel them jutting out, though at no point was there pain or discomfort, just a gentle sensation of something not so small in the ears.
  • The first thing that struck me was instruments. I get the comments earlier in the thread about being "on stage". It is quite a different experience to any other IEM. Whether that is good nor bad will is up to the listener, but it is certainly unique, and I suspect largely attributable to the BC drivers.
  • What the above results in is a liveliness and energy that is very entertaining and engaging. There's a shimmer to the instruments that give them life and bring them markedly more forward than I am used to.
  • In terms of soundstage, there is terrific width, partnered with really great imaging. It is precise and comes across very authentic and intentional. Some wide IEMs have a sense of left-centre-right with gaps in between. With the EVO it has a way of positioning the different elements along the axis of the stage.
  • Height is good. Would not say way out there but good...I think what adds to this is a "shelf" of bass that seems to hover below the stage, like a sub in the stage floor.
  • Speaking of, that takes some getting used to, and it is worth noting here that I generally fatigue from heavy bass. My ears definitely felt it after my listening session, and this was particularly noticeable in music which had any sort of underlying bassline, as the subterranean warble was clear and present most of the time.
  • That said, it did not get in the way or muddy the sound. Details and that instrument shimmer was unimpeded. Again this could be a combination of a number of factors such as BC drivers and/or the bass resonance control in the shell and/or the upper mid and lower treble forwardness.
  • Interestingly, while I found the bass incredibly powerful and textured, I got more of a sense of heaviness from rumble than from punch. So more deep and prolonged vibrations than visceral drum or trance type kicks.
  • Back to soundstage, width as mentioned is really great. Depth I think suffers a bit from the positioning - that effect of being "on stage" and that liveliness of instruments. It made all the little elements discernable and crystal clear, but also put them on a relatively straight plane as it were. This reduced the sense of depth, and layering.
  • When it comes to vocals, it is mostly inoffensive, and buttery smooth. Not in a rolled off manner, just clear and devoid of sibilance. It did get a little too forward on certain tracks, and close to the point of wincing; that would be due to the upper mids being pushed at me, rather than due to being etched or bright, which it never was.
  • As a result of the on-stage perspective and liveliness of instruments, what I did find was that vocals took a back seat. In most IEMs, especially those that I would describe as three dimensional / holographic, the vocals "float" and are more forward in the mix, supported by everything else.
  • In the EVO, the vocals felt slightly set back most of the time, and relative to the instruments, felt like they lacked a little bit of "air". I think this was due to the contrast between the shimmer of everything else going on and the set back vocals that were a smidgeon subdued.

Without doubt, an incredible technical feat. A very engaging and exciting sound, with some clever tricks up its sleeve that are consistently good rather than one-off hits and misses on a small number of tracks.

I did come home and try the same tracks on my system with the Traillii. Will not make any direct comparisons. I feel these two will appeal to very different listeners (or for very different use cases). Come to think of it, they would make terrific complementary partners (wallet permitting). I would venture to say it is unlikely that someone would (or should) be picking between the two.

It is a matter of individual preferences as to which cumulative set of capabilities presented in each ticks more boxes. For me personally, I would not part with the bird for the EVO, while others will feel the other way around. But I am super thankful and glad I got the opportunity to try it out, and I am sure once deliveries start there will be a lot of happy campers.

At the end of the day, the takeaway is that neither is wrong or right; neither is good or bad; neither is accurate or artificial. Both create brilliant sound and that is what we should all be celebrating.
Probably the best and most articulate impressions of EVO I've seen to date. Yes, of course I'm biased, but I also know exactly what was being heard and how, and the two of us will continue discussing the demo throughout the week (after which I hope to spend some quality time with @xenithon's Bird again). Meanwhile I'll be drip-feeding my own EVO impressions, one track a time, from Monday until first-batch shipping day on Friday, so stay tuned...😁
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 5:25 PM Post #32,987 of 40,577
Thanks for this information. I'm finding the connector is the problem. I'm not finding any type of adapter that has the two pin connector.
This is super weird. I am not an expert in physics, but you would think its based on the density of whatever the vibrations are moving through. Dense enough should do the trick? Or just the fact that the foam is porous enough to reduce the vibration a significant amount to negate the effect of the conduction. If this is the case I am guessing that there will be a sweet spot between the thickness/thinness/structure/surface area of the tips and how much of them are in contact with the ear canal. This might mean that customs would be the way to go?
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 5:26 PM Post #32,988 of 40,577
Did someone say drip? Messing around with this EOS R. Much different than Sony.
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Oct 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM Post #32,989 of 40,577
For @Wildcatsare1 , here is a track that was made for you.

Bill Watrous, The Shadow of Your Smile. As a trombone player, Bill Watrous is my favorite trombone player of all time.

This big band jazz track has a great piano solo starting at 2:57 that illustrates to perfection your piano hammer strikes of the EVO. It also opens with a fantastic stand up bass solo that highlights the depth and timbre of its bass response.

https://tidal.com/browse/track/19607766
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 7:01 PM Post #32,990 of 40,577
Hey All,

Introduction
I was fortunate enough to be able to test a demo of the Empire Ears Legend EVO (EVO) from Audio Essence / @TomKorn. I was able to listen to them for around 10+ hours (Thanks TOM x1000!!). The Unit I received was already burned in for 50 hours. I understand that I have not met the 100 hour threshold so my impressions could change at a later stage. I am quite new to the world of IEMs and only started getting into this hobby in 2021. However I wanted to share some of my first review of the EVO. Disclaimer: They are purely my thoughts and opinions which may/may not align with what others have experienced. In terms of music, I prefer to listen to a wide range of genres from EDM, Hip Hop, RnB, Pop/Rock, Kpop to classical. My test artists included Illenium [Fallen Embers Album], Avicii [Wake me Up], Arty [Avalanche], Dem Franchize Boyz [Ridin Rims], Eminem [You Don't Know], Linkin Park [One More Light REMIX ft Steve Aoki], Fallout Boy [My Songs Know What you Did in the Dark] and Hans Zimmer [Batman Dark Knight and Inception (!)].

Source
I used the Cayin N6ii Ti with R01 board. I used the standard Final E ear tips and Genesis cable as a start however I did perform some ear tip and cable rolling later on. To play music, I used the USB Audio Player pro app with bit perfect mode and Tidal.

Comparison IEMs
During my testing, I compared the Legend EVO to the ODIN, Valkyrie MK II and my memory of listening to Legend X OG.

Overall Impression
The Legend EVO is the most remarkable bass-head IEM as of the time of writing. It has provided me with the best bass experience from any IEM without compromising too much on the overall sound quality. Empire Ears has really nailed this IEM on the head because they have somehow managed to create an IEM which has such deep bass response whilst still being able to accentuate other sound frequencies such as the mids and treble. There is also an incredible sound stage and high level of detail retrieval. The bass is the star of the show. Bass quality, texture and quantity are incredible. These IEMs were made to bring out the best bass, and it sure has. Mids and treble are, for me personally, slightly recessed but in the correct place in order to emphasise the bass. Overall sound quality involves a series of trade offs and Empire Ears has definitely found the right balance. Based on the stock materials (ear tips, cables, etc) I would rate the EVO as follows (10=best):
> Bass: 10/10
> Mids: 9/10
> Treble: 9/10
> Imaging: 9/10
> Sound Stage: 9/10

Overall Sound Signature
The overall sound signature of the EVO is that it is a bass emphasised IEM. Bass is clearly more forward than all other frequencies and it is anything but neutral. It is definitely a really "fun and engaging" IEM and one that immerses you within your music. There is a GIGANTIC amount of bass.

PRO TIP
I initially heard the EVO straight out of the box and then again 50 hours later when I obtained the Demo unit. Upon first hearing the EVO, I was not a big fan of the placement of the mids and treble as I felt it was a bit recessed. After the burn in, mids and treble definitely improved. Out of curiosity, I attached the Odin's Stormbreaker cable onto the EVO. In my view, and based on my own sound preferences, this was the best sound experience I had with the EVO and in recent memory with any IEM outside of ODIN. Mids and treble were now slightly more forward whilst maintaining the bass presence of the EVO. It was pure MAGIC.

Bass
Bass...is...KING.

The bass within the EVO is supported by two W9+ dynamic drives (DD) and one Weapon X (WX) driver. The combination of all of these items results in remarkable bass response I have not heard before in an IEM. Overall, I would say that there is a fantastic bass texture, quantity and quality. When the bass is needed, it turns up with full force and when it isn't required, it takes a step in the background but not so much that it overpowers the rest of the sound. Bass texture and depth is ever present when called upon. Whilst listening to "Hans Zimmer - Why so Serious (Batman, Dark Knight Album)", you really feel all the different levels, textures and depths of bass. All bass drivers press and pull when needed on deep bass notes and provide extra flavour to the instruments - you really feel guitars being strung. The introduction of the Weapon X has taken the bass of this IEM to a new level and you really get a thumping effect. Whilst listening to "Linkin Park / Steve Aoki - One More Light Remix", the sub-bass goes super deep to depths previously unknown. I obtained a similar experience when listening to "Arty - Avalanche". Within "Illenium - Crazy Times", this song includes a fantastic bass drop in the last bridge of the song. With the EVO, the bass drop here is wonderful as it dives deep and manages to keep the background electric guitar in place. Whilst listening to "Dem Franchize Boyz - Ridin Rims" and "Eminem - You Don't Know" which are classic hip hop tracks, the bass drop at the start of these songs is incredibly dense with a great level of punch and THUMP. Despite all of the bass presence, it does not overwhelm other sound frequencies too much nor result in a muddy sound. Overall, the bass within EVO is truly amazing. Interestingly, the presence of the Weapon X really creates a fuller sound experience and immerses you in certain tracks.

Mids & Treble
To my surprise, mids are very well detailed given the amount of bass presence. Instruments and vocals are well placed and sit naturally in the overall sound signature. I am fine with this tuning however I can understand that there are some who prefer mids and treble to be more forward or sparkly. For example, this is really evident if you listen to the ODIN first and then switch immediately to the EVO. In my view, the tuning is so impressive that you really hear the detail of all instruments and vocals where they do not get too "lost" in the bass. Illenium combines a lot of different instruments in his EDM tracks similar to Avicii in "Wake me Up". In Avicii's "Wake me Up", you can really hear and feel the guitar being strung whilst the bass thumps along in the background. Vocals are pleasant and they are well placed within each song I listened to. In more technical tracks, for example Hans Zimmer, instrumentals sounded fantastic and due to the fantastic imaging and sound stage, you obtain a really immersive listening experience. In relation to Rock/pop music, I played "Fall Out Boy - My Songs Know What you Did in the Dark" and found that EVO executed this song quite well. Electric guitars and voices sounded fantastic and well placed. The extra bass in the background provided the song with more body and energy. If I was being really picky with this one, the bass for some could be too much in this track especially when comparing it to how it sounds with the ODIN.

In relation to treble, I felt that it was a bit more relaxed compared to the mids and bass however given this is a bass head IEM, it was where it needs to be. It is important to note that some may find the mids and treble to be too relaxed or slightly recessed. In my view, they are placed where they need to be and therefore suit the overall sound signature of the EVO. I did not experience any sibilance with the EVO.

Sound Stage & Imaging
The EVOs sound stage and Imaging is excellent. The sound stage is definitely wide and provides enough space in terms of width and height to really appreciate what is going on within a track. Imaging is also impressive and the EVO excels in providing the listener with a detailed experience. The EVO is definitely a technical IEM.

Comparisons

EVO vs ODIN: In my view, these two IEMs are impressive in their own right and have their similarities and differences. They compliment each other quite well and will co-exist perfectly in any one's IEM collection. The biggest difference between the two is that ODIN has a much more forward mids and treble sound signature with less bass quantity compared to the EVO. Bass quality is for my ears, very similar, however with the Weapon X in the EVO, you clearly get more sub bass and quantity. Within the sound staging and imaging however, the ODIN and EVO are more alike than many might think. The EVOs sound stage is almost up there with the Odin irrespective of the bass presence. The ODIN still takes the cake when it comes to sound stage, imaging and technicalities - but only just. With stock ear tips, cables, etc, I prefer less bass dependent music with the Odin such as classical music although this depends on your preferences. For example, with the Odin, all the details in classical music are revealed with enough bass emphasis. However, some may prefer to listen to classical music or movie sound tracks with more bass presence and immersion and therefore the EVO works better. For more bass dependent genres such as EDM and Hip Hop, the ODIN is a fantastic IEM however the EVO provides that extra "Thump" to these kind of tracks. At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference.

EVO vs Valkyrie MK II: No one has mentioned this comparison yet and I thought it would be interesting to bring it to the forefront. The Valkyrie MK II is a V shaped IEM but in my view it is not a classic V Shaped IEM where sub bass is drowning everything out but rather it is a technically REFINED V SHAPED IEM where mids and treble are given a chance to shine too. The Valkyrie MK II is one of my favourite IEMs for bassy music due to its energy and positioning of mids and treble in the overall sound signature. In my view, the EVO takes a page from the Valkyrie MK II and upgrades everything it does exponentially (x1000) - bass quantity and quality, sound staging and imaging are taken to the next level. Combing this with my comments comparing the ODIN, the EVO takes part of the ODIN's DNA sound staging and imaging qualities and you end up with a fantastic bass head IEM. This is not the say the Valkyrie MK II is a bad IEM, it is a fantastic one actually, it is more to highlight that there are some similarities between this and the EVO which one may not yet be aware of.

EVO vs Legend X OG: I have experience listening to the Legend X OG and in my view, the Legend EVO is a definite upgrade of the Legend X. The bass of the EVO is just technically better in terms of quantity and quality. Within the Legend X OG, I felt the sub-bass was a bit too ever present and in places where it did not need to be. The EVO fixes this and controls the sub bass. Sound stage is also wider and imaging capabilities are definitely better in my view.

Ear Tip and Cable Rolling
Ear tips: I tested the EVO with the stock Final E Tips, CP 155 and JVC Spiral Dots. I used M to L sizes. In my view, the EVO requires a tight fit around the nozzle in order to facilitate the appropriate use of the Weapon X bone conduction system. Without a tight fit around the nozzle, the effect from the Weapon X is mitigated and therefore reduced. With this in mind, the CP 155 has a looser fit around the EVO nozzle and therefore does not bring out the best bass from the EVO. The JVC spiral dots perform a bit better however it still did not bring the bass to the same quantity of the Final E Tips. As such, the Final E tips produced the best bass response and therefore sound from the EVO.

Cable Rolling: I tested many cables with the Legend EVO. In particular I listened to the EVO with the stock Genesis cable, ODIN Stormbreaker and Satin Audio Chimera II X8. Overall, the best cable for me was the STORMBREAKER. With the Stormbreaker, mids and treble was pushed slightly more forward which resulted in one of the best listening experiences I have had with an IEM. To my ears and sound preferences, there was a perfect balance between the mids, treble and GIGANTIC amounts of bass. It was a pleasure and the Stormbreaker kept its place for a while on the EVO. Ofcourse, the level of detail and staging does not rise to the level of the ODIN, but this is not what the EVO was made for anyway as they are different in this regard. What I appreciated most was that the treble and mids came forward enough for my sound preferences. The genesis cable provided the EVO with arguably its most unique sound signature and this was definitely a good pairing. In relation to the Satin Audio Chimera II X8, this is a copper and silver cable which had an interesting effect with EVO. Mids and treble came very slightly forward and bass quantity and quality was still ever present however sound stage and imaging was reduced when compared to the Genesis cable and Stormbreaker.

In terms of cable quality, the genesis cable is really nice to use however some may find it a little bit stiff. It does not bother me nor cause any issues with cable noise however I have had experiences with other cables (e.g. from PlusSound, Satin Audio, PWA Stormbreaker) which are softer to handle and use.

Fit (Edited)
The Legend EVO is a BIG IEM. It is the largest IEM I know of from Empire Ear's lineup. The shell itself is larger than the Odin, Valkyrie MK II and Legend X OG however the nozzel length is slightly longer. For my ears, the EVO fit fine and I was able to use them for 3 hours without pain. This may be due to the Final E tips which help provide a better fit on the EVO compared to deeply inserted ear tips (e.g CP 155). If you have have fit issues with ODIN, you may have issues with EVO in my view. It is best to try them out yourself.

Other considerations
Straight out of the box, the Legend EVO did not sound as I expected it to be. The bass was a bit bloated and mids and treble were recessed. As time passed and I listened to the IEMs after the 50 hours mark, it sounded to me like it was a new IEM. Mids and treble came forward and into place and the overall sound signature was improved. It is important that you really give these IEMs their burn in time before trying to fully appreciate what it is trying to achieve.

Technical Specifications
  • 2 W9 + subwoofers
  • 5 Precision Balanced Armature Drivers
  • Weapon X bone conduction transducer Ultra Driver
  • 9-way synX crossover
  • Two-line architecture
  • ARC resonance mitigation technology
  • Impedance: 4.5 Ohm @ 1kHz
  • Frequency response: 5Hz-35kHz
  • Sensitivity: 103dB @ 1kHz, 1mW
  • Empire X PWAudio "GENESIS" Ultra Pure OCC copper cable, 4.4 Pentaconn connector

Conclusion
The Empire Ears team have developed one of the most impressive IEMs to date. Although the EVO is tailored for bass heads, it is definitely an IEM to be admired by all audiophiles. If you love BASS BASS BASS BASS, you will love the Legend EVO. Welldone - @Jack Vang !! To close, I hope you enjoyed my first review of the Legend EVO and I hope to provide further reviews over other Empire Ears IEMs such as the ODIN in the near future.

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Oct 2, 2021 at 7:19 PM Post #32,991 of 40,577
To me, Xelastecs are sticky and deforming versions of Crystals. Let me test them. I will test the standard, not the APP versions. The APP versions have an oval stap in for the APP. So, it won't work with a regular IEM. I use Crystals for my APP and for my WF-1000 XM4.

edited to note: I just tested one track as I am busy with something else. I am listening today to Classic Rock and EVO really works with it. I completely disagree with BGGAR. To me, the Crystals are better because I am getting superior seal. It may because my Xelastecs are slightly deformed and older and therefore don't seal as well as when new. I need to get some new ones to test them again. But, with what I have now, the Crystals have much better impact and bass is deeper, but I think that is due to the seal and my Xelastecs no longer being new.

Are Crystals available with different diameters? Not sure how you got them over the neck. I'll only use a fresh set of Xelastics, so they “deform” into a “custom” seal.

I haven't found anything I don't like with the EVO, maybe stuff I don't like an upfront stage, but I'm still looking.

I’m finally getting to hear the Odin, and I think you mentioned it earlier, but the EVO is as much an “evolution” of the Odin, as it is the LX. I like the Odin a lot as well, they are complementary. I'm still blown away by the imaging of the EVO, the height really is unique for an IEM, heck, even for full-size headphones.
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 7:23 PM Post #32,992 of 40,577
For @Wildcatsare1 , here is a track that was made for you.

Bill Watrous, The Shadow of Your Smile. As a trombone player, Bill Watrous is my favorite trombone player of all time.

This big band jazz track has a great piano solo starting at 2:57 that illustrates to perfection your piano hammer strikes of the EVO. It also opens with a fantastic stand up bass solo that highlights the depth and timbre of its bass response.

https://tidal.com/browse/track/19607766

Taking a break from football and listening now thanks, and geaux Gators!!!
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 7:51 PM Post #32,993 of 40,577
Taking a break from football and listening now thanks, and geaux Gators!!!
Surprised it's 10 to 7 in the 3rd. Figured the Gators would run all over the cats. Roll Tide!

Edit: Gators woooops! LOL
 
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Oct 2, 2021 at 10:12 PM Post #32,994 of 40,577
Surprised it's 10 to 7 in the 3rd. Figured the Gators would run all over the cats. Roll Tide!

Edit: Gators woooops! LOL

It was the slopiest of endings 😢
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 11:05 PM Post #32,995 of 40,577
I'm finding the upper mids blending better, not sure if it's physical or brain burn-in, or a bit of both. The Odin arrived today, with a little effort I dislodged the EVOs, damn these are really good as well. I'll give them more extensive listening with a bit of A/B, but early listening thoughts are that they are complimentary.
I would be interested in your thoughts on the comparison between the upper mids of the Odin and the EVO. i had to sell my Odin due to the upper mids peak. For my own preferences I found that vocals were too forward and to my ears they were too ’in your face’. This made for both uncomfortable and fatiguing listening. Due to this I had to sadly part with them. For my own curiosity then I’m interested to know if the EVO have those same upper mids or not.
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 11:08 PM Post #32,996 of 40,577
I would be interested in your thoughts on the comparison between the upper mids of the Odin and the EVO. i had to sell my Odin due to the upper mids peak. For my own preferences I found that vocals were too forward and to my ears they were too ’in your face’. This made for both uncomfortable and fatiguing listening. Due to this I had to sadly part with them. For my own curiosity then I’m interested to know if the EVO have those same upper mids or not.
No, they definitely don’t.

They are elevated a bit over normal LX but not by much.
 
Oct 2, 2021 at 11:20 PM Post #32,998 of 40,577
Oct 2, 2021 at 11:29 PM Post #32,999 of 40,577
Thanks. That is good to know.
No problem. Odin is less linear and accelerates from low to high mid much faster which is what will pull high mids closer to you and make them sound elevated. The EVO and it’s linear rise coupled with big bass make the high mids less forward and less elevated sounding.

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Oct 2, 2021 at 11:31 PM Post #33,000 of 40,577
I would be interested in your thoughts on the comparison between the upper mids of the Odin and the EVO. i had to sell my Odin due to the upper mids peak. For my own preferences I found that vocals were too forward and to my ears they were too ’in your face’. This made for both uncomfortable and fatiguing listening. Due to this I had to sadly part with them. For my own curiosity then I’m interested to know if the EVO have those same upper mids or not.

They aren't “shouty” or “peaky,” I find them forward, but (too me) in a desirable manner. First, the now cliche, “I'm hearing things I didn't know where in familiar recordings,” is very much the case. On example being James Taylor’s “Fire and Rain,” I always thought there was only a cello in the accompanying instruments, when it's actually a cello and an upright bass. A small detail, but one which enhances the overall musical experience for me.

For the types of music I listen to there's a fine line between”in your face,” and “enhancing the excitement.” I was just listening to DuPre’s “Elgar Concerto” (yes I've attained the rarified air of being old, boring, and a nerd, all wrapped into one), and thinking that the EVO was hitting that line perfectly, Dean and Jack have done a masterful job in running the EVO!
 

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