Dec 20, 2010 at 3:33 AM Post #16 of 25
The drivers are all the same?  I have peaked through the backs of the ones I've had with a bright light, and sometimes the drivers appear to be the same between some adjacent models, but then they haven't been the same between some models not adjacent to each other.  I should have written all this down.  But I don't believe they all use the same driver.  At the very least, they don't look the same.  Not through the backs anyway.
 
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 4:40 AM Post #17 of 25
[size=x-small]If you want my completely speculative theory, here it is.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]There are two main factors at play here - the driver itself and acoustics. Neither is really more important than the other when it comes to producing the final sound of the headphones.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]It appears that after the SR60 to SR80 change, where the driver has been "de-stressed" there is no different process applied to the driver. I think the changes in the driver are the result of whatever "de-stressing" involves not being a precisie science for what is essentially still a small family firm like Grado.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]So what you get is drivers which are not destressed at all (SR60, iGrado), and drivers which are de-stressed to varying qualities from perfect (which go into the highest end Grados) to poor (which go into SR80s) and everything in between. [/size]
 
[size=x-small]When it comes to the actual drivers - the different models are just different gradings or categorizations of the quality of an imprecise process.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]But it's not just the driver that makes the sound.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]For example - higher Grados have some tar-like substance on the back of the driver magnet plate which kills unwanted resonance, lower ones don't. Some higher Grados have the some of the vent holes between the air chamber and the driver open and some closed by paper/fleece, while the lower ones have all of them closed. The RS1, and "10000" models have the drivers further away from the ear than other models and the HF, RS and "1000" models all have air chambers made of wood rather than plastic.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]All of this can be modded by the user.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]So while you can never make an SR80 driver a PS1000 driver - as the PS1000 driver was perfectly de-stressed and the SR80 was less than perfectly destressed, you can make all the acoustical changes and make it a much, much, much better set of headphones.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]I repeat, this is a speculative theory based on my guess work and not fact. But it seems to make sense to me...[/size]
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:01 AM Post #18 of 25
Is there a variance in the sound of Grados of a particular model? I ask because I keep reading about the 325's being bright, harsh, sibilant...mine are none of these things. Mine are rich and full and not sibilant at all. Is it possible I got an odd pair? 
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:19 AM Post #19 of 25


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Is there a variance in the sound of Grados of a particular model? I ask because I keep reading about the 325's being bright, harsh, sibilant...mine are none of these things. Mine are rich and full and not sibilant at all. Is it possible I got an odd pair? 



I do not find mine to bright either....I always read hoe bright they are and I  am like, "really"......I love the highs from these cans and do not at all consider them to be too bright/////I guess with everybody's ears being different and hearing different things it is just too hard to say.
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM Post #20 of 25
 
Is there a variance in the sound of Grados of a particular model? I ask because I keep reading about the 325's being bright, harsh, sibilant...mine are none of these things. Mine are rich and full and not sibilant at all. Is it possible I got an odd pair? 


The 325 has some extra sparkle to it, which some describe as overly "bright."  I never found mine to be "harsh" except when I wanted more bass and instinctively cranked them up.  It's easier to get treble than bass.  If you crank up the volume, you'll get more treble and you'll complain that the headphones are "harsh."  They're certainly brighter than the 225, which is why 225 lovers love to complain about the 325.  But we're talking about unamped headphones.  With the felt over the driver backs, you really need a decent amp to get the bass to come out and play.  With my M^3 with variable bass boost, I could ratchet up the bass and establish the tonal balance I wanted.  In doing so, I'd never have to crank the headphones too loud so they never came across as "harsh."
 
Of course, tracks vary in their tonal balance and some tracks are sibilant to begin with, just as some tracks come across as muted.  Recording environments are not identical, nor are the aesthetic judgments of sound engineers.
 
I found that when I punched out at least four holes on the driver back, I got as much bass as I was looking for when I cranked up the bass boost on my amp.  Punching out these holes made the bass boost unnecessary.  In fact, I always seem to end up punching out all ten, with no bloated bass at all.  Four may be the polite thing to do but I never heard any problems with punching out all ten, and curiosity always seems to get the best of me in that regard.
 
When I compare the vented 325 to the 225, the 225 loses luster.  A tonally balanced 325 has sparkle the 225 doesn't have (unless you remove the grill cloth, in which case, you get the sparkle without spending the extra $100).  A vented 325 is an awesome headphone.
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 AM Post #21 of 25
This is interesting stuff, as I had toyed with the idea of getting maybe an SR125i. I am allllll about modding :)
 
Dec 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM Post #23 of 25
There are variations between different examples of the same model.
 
I have heard 2 MS1i's.  One sounded like the SR60i I had heard before, with its accompanying lack of bass.  The other MS1i I heard sounded more like the SR80i/SR125i I owned.  Bass was fine.
 
I have also heard 2 MS2i's.  Different sounding too.  Both sounded great to me, but one had slightly more bass than the other.
 
And I've heard 2 HF2's.  One from the most recent batch, and one from the batch before that.  Again, differences in the bass, but both sounded good to me.
 
Based on the 2 different examples from the 3 different models I heard, I could make the general conclusion that the higher up you go, the differences become smaller, but I admittedly have a small database of listening with which to say that. 
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Dec 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM Post #24 of 25


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What is this "stress" in the drivers?


Have no idea, just the only mention of differences in the drivers beyond SR60 on the Grado website is this about the SR80:
 
"Built on the same features as theSR60i, but SR80i utilizes a 4 conductor connecting cable and the diaphragms are put through a special 'de-stressing' process in order to enhance inner detail, the result of which gives a more open stage." 
 
After this they say each time it has an "improved", "upgraded" or "new" driver but don't detail what is done, and as has been noted they all look identical.
 
Which is why I guess they do the same thing to every driver but with differing levels of quality in the outcome, which they then "grade" to assign to different models.
 
If you wanted a guess what "de-stressing" is I'd say it was some kind of coating.
 
I don't know if you heard of the symphones magnum, but all they did was mill a plastic coating off and put a new coating they had formulated on it and the results were radically different.
 
 
Dec 21, 2010 at 1:48 AM Post #25 of 25


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What is this "stress" in the drivers?


Have no idea, just the only mention of differences in the drivers beyond SR60 on the Grado website is this about the SR80:
 
"Built on the same features as theSR60i, but SR80i utilizes a 4 conductor connecting cable and the diaphragms are put through a special 'de-stressing' process in order to enhance inner detail, the result of which gives a more open stage." 
 
After this they say each time it has an "improved", "upgraded" or "new" driver but don't detail what is done, and as has been noted they all look identical.
 
Which is why I guess they do the same thing to every driver but with differing levels of quality in the outcome, which they then "grade" to assign to different models.
 
If you wanted a guess what "de-stressing" is I'd say it was some kind of coating.
 
I don't know if you heard of the symphones magnum, but all they did was mill a plastic coating off and put a new coating they had formulated on it and the results were radically different.
 


Hmm, I did not know that.
 

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