cMP and cPlay media player

[b0dhi]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROBSCIX /img/forum/go_quote.gif I like the idea of people writing audio players for serious audio lovers. Although, I think some would say we still don't have exactly what we need yet in terms of software.

Winamp + Dynamic Library + Otochan's ASIO output. Nothing more needed.

 

[tosehee]

If it requires for one to spend this much time and effort to tune the pc and software to play the music, why not get SB3 or SB Touch as a transport and get yourself free with all these headaches? It's still computer based in a sense since you have all your musics at your finger tips and you get to enjoy with none of these issues.

 

[haloxt]

All the concepts in this thread could theoretically benefit a squeezebox too. I wouldn't though, I'm a lazy bum who sticks with a mp3 player with optical out which goes against pretty much everything high fi says makes a good transport

.

 

[tosehee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by haloxt /img/forum/go_quote.gif All the concepts in this thread could theoretically benefit a squeezebox too. I wouldn't though, I'm a lazy bum who sticks with a mp3 player with optical out which goes against pretty much everything high fi says makes a good transport .

How would the SB benefit from this? SB3 is a network streaming device, no?

 

[haloxt]

cplay and cmp is about efficient software that utilize hardware well. It's also about hardware upgrades, which people do on the SB.

 

[skeptic]

haloxt - I totally agree with your comments regarding cplay as opposed to Otachan ASIO via Winamp.

Have you had an opportunity to compare Foobar 2000 Kernal Streaming to cplay? These two sound virtually identical to me when cplay's volume is set to 0.0. When you have a chance (assuming you have not already), I'd be interested in your impressions.

 

[tosehee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by haloxt /img/forum/go_quote.gif cplay and cmp is about efficient software that utilize hardware well. It's also about hardware upgrades, which people do on the SB.

Yes.

but complexity involves is not even comparable. SB is a HW device with network streaming capability. You don't need to configure your windows in any special, worry about the HDD, memory, which software player, etc, etc, etc.

Most hardware mods on SB3 are about the reclocking. And when this is done, you are free to use whichever OS that you are familiar with.

 

[haloxt]

Skeptic, I already tried KS on foobar, I remember it was good and I couldn't decide between it and foobar+otachan, but I had something against WASAPI. But again these differences are quite minor and maybe I'm just hallucinating

, I know I'd have a hard time A/B'ing low-latency drivers unless it was something like wavelab vs. foobar 0.9.3+built-in asio.

Tosehee, it's good that you can configure windows, because you can't configure squeezebox the same way, at least not until someone writes the software. Same goes with HDD, memory, and software. You can change these easily on a pc, not so easily on a squeezebox.

 

[erin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by haloxt /img/forum/go_quote.gif My setup for testing was regular surge protector>stock dell desktop computer>$10 9ft. cables to go velocity series usb cable>usb-audio.com asio software with pcm2707 drivers going to my headphone setup in my profile. Almost three hours of the same song (still listening to it ^^) and found that: foobar+otachan was pretty off from neutral due to too much emphasis on highs and confused and anemic bass, but details on many things mediamonkey+otachan was balanced but sometimes became rather sloppy at weird times windows media player+ ASIOWmpPlg is balanced like mediamonkey but less sloppy. cplay alone is a bit better than mediamonkey+otachan and wmp and close to wavelab but on rare occasions it sounds strange on the bass cplay+cmp without any tweaking except what's available inside cplay's and cmp's settings sounds about the same as wavelab, maybe even more neutral and crisp, can't be certain because every time I tried it and exited, windows had to be restarted . wavelab has balanced written all over it with no sounds sounding confused after many runs over the same song. It presents things so smoothly and continuously you just want to listen forever to the same song. I really like both cmp+cplay and wavelab, haven't decided which I like best because I have to restart too much with cmp+cplay but I would not be surprised if cmp+cplay was better, right now I get a strong feeling that cmp+cplay has more crisp detail, but wavelab does have a sense of continuity to it which I really find enjoyable, and both are certainly superior to my iriver h120's optical output with glass toslink, which I think is just slightly above foobar and mediamonkey. edit: hmm cmp+cplay just put my computer into limbo land and I can't alt+ctrl delete to restart the computer . Well just wanted to add the reason I didn't put the computer on the power conditioner because I noticed it made all the asio's sound closer to each other, and I didn't test optical from my sound card because I just tried it and got a lot of static, fried my sound card from putting single channel opamps into dual channel sockets . But darn, usb sounds good, I really wonder what happens if I tried optical.

Hi, i use CMP and find it to be the best sounding player i have heard,
to help you with the computer locking up issue you are having.
turn the diagnostics to "on" then every time you want to exit CMP just click the "X" at the bottom of the GUI it will then ask you "yes"if you want to shutdown the computer or "No" to restart explorer, If you select "no" then you can use the computer like normal again.
Also, after you have played a song or album and want to go back to the album list, just click the "X" at the bottom of the screen.
the only buttons i use on CMP are play stop and X.
I got the computer locking up a few times until i learnt how to use this program, now I dont use any other player for critical listening ( i used to use foobar) . Im surprised that more people arent using or trying CMP. PS: To me Cplay does not sound as good as CMP. Its well worth the small learing curve to use CMP.

 

[cafe zeenuts]

Quote:

Originally Posted by erin /img/forum/go_quote.gif PS: To me Cplay does not sound as good as CMP. Its well worth the small learing curve to use CMP.

How can CMP sound better than cplay when it does not play music files??? If you use CMP you must use cPlay to play the music file. But cplay can be use as standalone player.

 

[erin]

Ummm, well, i just use the software, I dont know the ins and outs of it.
When i double click on the CMP icon, it opens up the player and i can play music on it, I can also double click on Cplay, and play the music on this as well, for some reason unknown to me, CMP sounds heaps better, perhaps i have adjusted some setting inadvertently which causes CMP to sound better.
If you have any ideas as to what is causing this.
Please let me know, because i dont understand why one sounds better than the other. I would like to know what is causing the difference.
Regards,
Erin

 

[erin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cafe zeenuts /img/forum/go_quote.gif How can CMP sound better than cplay when it does not play music files??? If you use CMP you must use cPlay to play the music file. But cplay can be use as standalone player.

Dude, this is my basic understanding of the differences between the two executable files. Cplay is a music player, CMP is a music player that can use Cplay as the GUI. CMP shuts down a couple of windows services before you can play music and this results in better sound qualty.
Whilst CMP is open you cant do anything else with the PC whilst this program is running. Whereas if i use Cplay, these services are not stopped and i can surf the net and do other computer stuff as well as play music. Sort of like using foobar etc.

Please feel free to enlighten me if im wrong here. I would love a greater understanding of whats going on.

 

[leeperry]

the idea is that when you kill the windows shell, you improve the windows kernel jitter...whether it'd be clearly audible in a DBT is dubious

 

[erin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeperry /img/forum/go_quote.gif the idea is that when you kill the windows shell, you improve the windows kernel jitter...whether it'd be clearly audible in a DBT is dubious

Hey, why do you say dubious? It clearly sounds heaps better to me.

Sorry for my ignorance, what is a DBT?

 

[leeperry]

Double Blind Test: Matrix HiFi --> Blind testing high end full equipments

your brain is a very powerful DSP, and is heavily directed by emotions...I don't doubt your judgment honesty, but it's hard to trust one's ears. these are not accurate measuring tools.