Chord Electronics - Hugo 2 - The Official Thread

Jan 10, 2018 at 5:16 AM Post #10,051 of 23,085
At one point I was worried about the fact that USB does have the benefit of being locked to the FPGA clock, whereas SPDIF is entirely asynchronous. So this was a potential concern; indeed before Hugo 2 USB sounded slightly brighter than optical - was this brightness due to more transparency (because the clock is common) or because RF noise on optical is lower because it's perfectly isolated (and so warmer sounding due to lower noise floor modulation).I could not tell from listening tests which was the explanation. If USB was better, than that meant I had to improve the DPLL; but if the difference is down to RF, then I had to improve the USB isolation. But when developing the DPLL I compared a buffered system (local clock only) to the DPLL (asynchronous input), and managed to hear no significant difference - but it did take 6 years to perfect the DPLL. But SQ has moved on enormously since the DPLL had been perfected, so perhaps I had to re-evaluate the DPLL performance - and maybe it was that which was causing the SQ differences. My job as a designer is to constantly re-asses and to find areas to improve performance - and sometimes it is obvious where improvements can be made (like WTA tap length) but sometimes you are existing in a sea of uncertainty; so one has to constantly question and re-evaluate.

But with Hugo 2 I had improved the USB inputs by adding ferrites on the ground (they always were on the VBUS). Also I had the benefit of a source (my MSI lap-top) that had optical and USB outputs. So you can imagine my complete surprise that with HP listening I could hear no difference at all between the USB and optical inputs. This meant several things - that the DPLL was indeed perfect sonically; and that listening via headphones and with a lap-top the USB isolation was now good enough. This means too that any changes one makes to the source, the warmer one is the better solution - even if it makes the system too warm (then you need to brighten it by making changes elsewhere). All too often I have experienced that with the so called USB or source improvements, only to discover that the "improvements" are only increasing RF noise and making it sound brighter and hence worse.

So no I do not need to improve the DPLL code at all...
Hi Rob,
thanks for the detailed explanation you gave to @Em2016, we all learn a thing of two by reading your post! Can you please tell me if I'm right in saying that (in bold you can find my thoughts):
- with TOSLink and Coax you have implemented DPLL (digital phase lock loop), so no matter what clock this asynchronous input have, because they will be reclocked internally by DPLL. You've also determined that "DPLL was indeed perfect sonically";
- before Hugo 2, USB sounded brighter not because it had better transparency, but because of more RF noise --> hence your choice in adding more ferrites to Hugo2 USB input;
- now using Hugo 2 "with HP listening I could hear no difference at all between the USB and optical inputs" --> RF noise gap has been closed by adding more ferrites;
- since "USB does have the benefit of being locked to the FPGA clock" = the path is shorter --> even if they sound the same, USB is to be preferred to Optical (not to mention the increased PCM support).

Thanks for your input!
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 5:32 AM Post #10,052 of 23,085
Thanks for your answer.
Not talking about seconds but minutes.
It is like the Hugo2 was recharging battery.

So when your Hugo 2 is completely turned off and not connected to the mains the light is still on for few minutes?
Hi MikeRight,
I'd like to know that too as I'm having your same behavior from my Hugo2.
The Hugo2 is indeed in Desktop mode as the Power marble is Magenta when in use, but when I switch it off it turns White as while in 2A charge.
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 6:20 AM Post #10,055 of 23,085
Jan 10, 2018 at 6:23 AM Post #10,056 of 23,085
Sorry because maybe I am misunderstanding.
You said that in desktop mode Hugo2 has to be turned on all the time?

In any case I have never used the Hugo2 through battery.
Why after turning it off the battery is charging?

Even in desktop mode the Hugo2 runs from the battery it's just that the battery voltage is maintained at a slightly lower charge level in desktop mode. Turning the Hugo2 off whilst in Desktop mode exits Desktop mode and the battery commences charging to the higher level of charge to be ready to use the Hugo2 in mobile use if required (ie disconnected from the charger).

Does that help explain?
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 6:25 AM Post #10,057 of 23,085
Even in desktop mode the Hugo2 runs from the battery it's just that the battery voltage is maintained at a slightly lower charge level in desktop mode. Turning the Hugo2 off whilst in Desktop mode exits Desktop mode and the battery commences charging to the higher level of charge to be ready to use the Hugo2 in mobile use if required (ie disconnected from the charger).

Does that help explain?

Perfectly!
Thank you so much!
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM Post #10,060 of 23,085
I thought it was only if mains power was disconnected that it leaves desktop mode.
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 7:19 AM Post #10,061 of 23,085
The Hugo 2 contains a timer, and after 24 hrs connected to the power supply, the Hugo 2 switches to desktop mode. As soon as you switch the Hugo 2 off, the timer resets to 0, and the next time that you switch on, and you must wait another 24 hrs to enter desktop mode.

Maybe it is my English but what you said applies when you unplug the charger from the AC, not when you turn off the Hugo2.

In any case it would be great if Chord modifies the manual because it is not clear at all.
 
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Jan 10, 2018 at 7:28 AM Post #10,063 of 23,085
The Hugo 2 contains a timer, and after 24 hrs connected to the power supply, the Hugo 2 switches to desktop mode. As soon as you switch the Hugo 2 off, the timer resets to 0, and the next time that you switch on, and you must wait another 24 hrs to enter desktop mode.

I thought dektop mode is activated 24 hours after the Hugo 2 is connected to the power supply so the “internal timer” starts counting when the Hugo detects the power supply is connected and this timer only reset when the power supply is disconnected. I hope rob will shed some light about this matter
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 7:30 AM Post #10,064 of 23,085
I thought dektop mode is activated 24 hours after the Hugo 2 is connected to the power supply so the “internal timer” starts counting when the Hugo detects the power supply is connected and this timer only reset when the power supply is disconnected. I hope rob will shed some light about this matter

It is the same I thought...
 
Jan 10, 2018 at 8:24 AM Post #10,065 of 23,085
I thought dektop mode is activated 24 hours after the Hugo 2 is connected to the power supply so the “internal timer” starts counting when the Hugo detects the power supply is connected and this timer only reset when the power supply is disconnected. I hope rob will shed some light about this matter
Yes this is correct - the timer is set by connection of the charger - no power on the charger will cause the timer to reset. When you turn off Hugo 2, it is still in desktop mode, but the battery gets fully charged. Once fully charged, the charger will stop charging the battery - it is having a full charge voltage present that wears out the battery. The reason I did this was if you want to use it mobile say tomorrow, then simply turn it off, then it will be ready and fully charged for mobile use.
 

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