Chord 2Go & 2Yu Wired/Wireless Network streamer and S/PDIF adaptor - Official thread

[Doody]

i'll believe chord is starting to understand the hole that they are in when they initiate a proper beta test program.

I sure hope so. But I'm curious to hear why you believe this - please share?

Doody

 

[joshnor713]

People are so touchy these days. I don't see a problem with what John said (not coming from someone who is super Chord fan). I think it's entertaining actually. John, like most creators of a product, is passionate with what he's done with the H2, and there's likely a valid reason why he thinks this 'parasitic' (though, in hindsight, it would've been better if he explained why). Chord's DAC/amp design is thoroughly thought-out and I would totally expect that kind of reaction to someone promoting a "solution" that we're not sure has been as thought-out or integrated properly for their system. Chill out y'all.

 

[Mediahound]

Hugo 2 rca out *does* sound better than phone out. This is a known fact, even if it is not by design. Search "hugo2" on twitter and you'll see most of the Japanese users are using some sort of adapter to listen from the rca out. We aren't complaining about it, even though we could. If an engineer of yours cannot hear it on speakers or headphones then I'm ... speechless.

All the jacks are connected to the exact same output. Either the difference you're hearing is placebo effect, or, you're running in to this:

 

[Edric Li]

All the jacks are connected to the exact same output. Either the difference you're hearing is placebo effect, or, you're running in to this:

Literally a few pages back someone gave its own explanation of how different jacks connected to the same output can sound different. I can hear the difference loud and clear, speakers or headphones. I am fairly surprised that people actually can't. I trust my ears; you can trust this reviewer's.

 

[Edric Li]

People are so touchy these days. I don't see a problem with what John said (not coming from someone who is super Chord fan). I think it's entertaining actually. John, like most creators of a product, is passionate with what he's done with the H2, and there's likely a valid reason why he thinks this 'parasitic' (though, in hindsight, it would've been better if he explained why). Chord's DAC/amp design is thoroughly thought-out and I would totally expect that kind of reaction to someone promoting a "solution" that we're not sure has been as thought-out or integrated properly for their system. Chill out y'all.

But accusing a customer of promoting a product for no evidence? That's insulting! What's next, blame me for using a headphone amp with the hugo2 because he thinks the amp in hugo2 is well thought-out?

 

[Bill Chu]

Hifi world is full of mysteries. Guys maybe correct me if I am wrong, RCA is a kind of unbalanced standard (negative and ground together); for 3.5mm and 1/4" jack output, at least it's called balanced (negative and ground pole separate). So normally speaking balanced signal will be better for long run cable in noise reduction. In our headfi world, normal cable is only 1.2m, balanced / unbalanced should not be critical, the rest maybe video talking about "cross-talk". RCA have an advantage of left and right channel separation in space, it really have a few cm distance separation between left and right channel, that is quite critical for headfi listening, and still not mentioned about the conductor for connecting the circuit.

Yes I love physics and science, but I trust my ears also.

 

[Bill Chu]

In addition, I have not just heard one RCA adaptor, but 2 adaptors, and I could tell there are big difference of the performance between these 2, just like you listen to different earphone cables.

 

[kkrazik2008]

Hifi world is full of mysteries. Guys maybe correct me if I am wrong, RCA is a kind of unbalanced standard (negative and ground together); for 3.5mm and 1/4" jack output, at least it's called balanced (negative and ground pole separate). So normally speaking balanced signal will be better for long run cable in noise reduction. In our headfi world, normal cable is only 1.2m, balanced / unbalanced should not be critical, the rest maybe video talking about "cross-talk". RCA have an advantage of left and right channel separation in space, it really have a few cm distance separation between left and right channel, that is quite critical for headfi listening, and still not mentioned about the conductor for connecting the circuit.

Yes I love physics and science, but I trust my ears also.

This literally the most insane reasoning for using the rca out, separation in space.... NASA is looking for candidates with exceptional hearing, almost X-Men like ability to their mission to Mars. I suggest you volunteer....

Can this thread go back to discussion around the 2Go? Or whatever vinyl pop click issue that’s many repeat posters continue to complain about?

 

[Bill Chu]

This literally the most insane reasoning for using the rca out, separation in space.... NASA is looking for candidates with exceptional hearing, almost X-Men like ability to their mission to Mars. I suggest you volunteer....

Can this thread go back to discussion around the 2Go? Or whatever vinyl pop click issue that’s many repeat posters continue to complain about?

Good for u cannot hear the difference

 

[Mediahound]

It is true that Rob Watts has stated that on the Mojo, one of the outputs is slightly higher quality since it's farther away from the control or power/charge circuitry, but I have never heard this being verified for the Hugo 2 as all the analog out jacks on the Hugo 2 are connected together so it would not likely matter. Whereas on the Mojo, it's actually 2 separate outputs.

 

[jhoneyball]

I sure hope so. But I'm curious to hear why you believe this - please share?

Doody

Given the problems, wouldnt you expect chord to have a visible public beta program? Proper forums for reporting, bug tracking numbers, beta builds etc etc? This impacts not only poly but 2go, and hence 2yu (and the hugo2 and mojo obviously as paired items).

And we are now some 2 years into this experience. I use my 2go/hugo2 on wired ethernet with roon, where it works very well (although still isnt certified by roon yet). But the go-figure app is just horrible to use in almost every area, and the firmware for wifi is unstable and unreliable. I have some wifi here which it simply doesnt see, for example.

(shameless plug - my review of 2go is out in the new issue of hificritic)

 

[jonnyt]

People are so touchy these days. I don't see a problem with what John said (not coming from someone who is super Chord fan). I think it's entertaining actually. John, like most creators of a product, is passionate with what he's done with the H2, and there's likely a valid reason why he thinks this 'parasitic' (though, in hindsight, it would've been better if he explained why). Chord's DAC/amp design is thoroughly thought-out and I would totally expect that kind of reaction to someone promoting a "solution" that we're not sure has been as thought-out or integrated properly for their system. Chill out y'all.

Are you serious here? As a hobby, we are completely surrounded by after-market tweaks, upgrades and products.
Can you even imagine the head of Sennheiser insulting a customer on a public forum because they replaced their HD800 cables, or the CEO of Schiit getting pi**ed off because someone replaced their power cable?

I have no idea if the different outputs sound the same or not but that is not the point, anyone representing a company in public should be measured and professional, that's just corporate comms 101. That the head of Chord would be so completely oblivious to polite, professional public communications standards is, at least to me, worrying.

Oh, and telling people with a genuine reason to be frustrated to "chill out" is like yelling "You should smile more" at a random woman walking down the street, ie, ignorant and annoying.

 

[gryffe]

Are you serious here? As a hobby, we are completely surrounded by after-market tweaks, upgrades and products.
Can you even imagine the head of Sennheiser insulting a customer on a public forum because they replaced their HD800 cables, or the CEO of Schiit getting pi**ed off because someone replaced their power cable?

I have no idea if the different outputs sound the same or not but that is not the point, anyone representing a company in public should be measured and professional, that's just corporate comms 101. That the head of Chord would be so completely oblivious to polite, professional public communications standards is, at least to me, worrying.

Oh, and telling people with a genuine reason to be frustrated to "chill out" is like yelling "You should smile more" at a random woman walking down the street, ie, ignorant and annoying.

A cynic might think the head of Chord was bricking it because the 2Go has so far been found to be a bit of a "white elephant", and the innocuous post about the RCA plugs somehow pushed him over the edge.

 

[radnor]

+1 well said!
Agree with you and we should give Chord the benefit of the doubt to fix this, especially the ” vinylpopsandclicks” that is honestly drivning me mad The rest will be ironed out with time I hope! But chord has a Lesson to learn from bigger players who manage to actually get it right first time around, respect Chord beeing a bespoke hifi company with all manufacturing and developing in uk when the rest of the world are relying on china, so yes dissapointed but trying to be patient....cautiously positive all will be ok at the end...

I sure hope so. But I'm curious to hear why you believe this - please share?

Doody

A cynic might think the head of Chord was bricking it because the 2Go has so far been found to be a bit of a "white elephant", and the innocuous post about the RCA plugs somehow pushed him over the edge.

for what it’s worth... the headless DAP concept is brilliant.... and what Chord is attempting to do here is to be saluted.... but they screwed the pooch with implementation.

now imagine a fully integrated mojopoly but based on current gen tech with real smartphone industrial design chops... smaller than the existing mojo alone... with NO connectivity issues. that would be killer. Maybe I’ll build one.

 

[jonnyt]

for what it’s worth... the headless DAP concept is brilliant.... and what Chord is attempting to do here is to be saluted.... but they screwed the pooch with implementation.

now imagine a fully integrated mojopoly but based on current gen tech with real smartphone industrial design chops... smaller than the existing mojo alone... with NO connectivity issues. that would be killer. Maybe I’ll build one.

No connectivity issues and a proper control app? Yes please!
While we're fantasising, can I throw in a usb-c connection instead of the ridiculous micro socket..?