[BCool]

To explore this new rabbit hole I've ordered a bounce of low cost Pokemons well rated, the first is the Vido

Others I've choose Nicehck B40, Yincrow X6, Tingo TC200, Faaeal Iris/Iris 2.0, TRN EMA and KBEAR Stellaris.
Addon the silicon rings to use instead the traditional sponges.

In my radar there are BELL Lbs, Fengru Cat Ear/EMX500S, RY4S, Smabat Svara, Nicehck MX500 PK1/EB2S/B70.
Have you any cheap suggestions that may help me to make me an idea about the earbuds sonic possibility?

The 80Ω LCP version of these is really good: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004259413385.html

 

[Lobarkaine]

The 80Ω LCP version of these is really good: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004259413385.html

Thank's!
Very similar to TRN, I try to stay in the 32 ohm range to may use them more easely, but a DAC or a good dongle may drive 80 ohm.

 

[baskingshark]

To explore this new rabbit hole I've ordered a bounce of low cost Pokemons well rated, the first is the Vido

Others I've choose Nicehck B40, Yincrow X6, Tingo TC200, Faaeal Iris/Iris 2.0, TRN EMA and KBEAR Stellaris.
Addon the silicon rings to use instead the traditional sponges.

In my radar there are BELL Lbs, Fengru Cat Ear/EMX500S, RY4S, Smabat Svara, Nicehck MX500 PK1/EB2S/B70.
Have you any cheap suggestions that may help me to make me an idea about the earbuds sonic possibility?

Bro you can ask more at the dedicated headfi earbuds thread: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds-round-up.441400/

The folks there are very friendly and helpful.

 

[Lobarkaine]

Hi mates, companions in this journey in the music reproduction world, it's really incredible the quantity and quality informations, full of passion and competence, that is possible to share in this forum.

 

[TylersEclectic]

I found the Chu to be a great budget option once I got the seal right

 

[eect13]

Here is a little cheat sheet to find your endgame IEM:

-Finding gain spots (i.e. HRTF anchor point) as your shortcut to find Endgame IEM.
Google “online tone generator”, use Neutral reference IEM(Final E500) for testing.

Find your ear resonance start from sub-bass range, for me it’s 96Hz

Multiply lowest reaonance point (for me 96hz), you can find your upper mid pinna gain range. 96x2x2x2x2x2=3,072hz (pinna gain) x 2 =6,144hx(concha gain) x 2 = third harmonics 12,288hz

Your pinna gain spot, is most important resonance point, it is your personal Head-Related Transfer Function (HRTF). Seek IEM’s frequency response graph/chart, and see if the pinna gain spot of your interest coincides with your pinna gain peak spot. If matched, assess if the resonance is too strong or weak, if you have a perfect match, you will hear IEM as if you are hearing with your own ear.

Those recaptured gain spots, 6.1kHz and 12.3kHz dip will reduce ear resonance thus reducing fatigues but other frequency range remained clear so if will not cost huge sacrifice on total presentation.


here is the sample of how each frequency spikes and dips could cause to each hearing experiece, they set pinna gain around 2.5kHz, vs mine 3kHz so it’s a bit off phase char but it gives a good grasp: NM2+, to my gain spots, shares: sharp, edgy, piecing, accentuated characteristics with CNT/DLC hard material dynamic drivers, which I wouldn’t recommend to many audiences except a treble insensitive group, or simply their gain peaks are off phase of 6kHz&12k, say 4.8kHz & 13kHz like the chart below.

here is website that generates tones; and here is my guide to find your pinna/concha/third harmonics gain spots

Note: Crinacle seems got 2.8kHz gain spot, Antdroid 2.9kHz from their ideal curve, if anyone find their spots are on tie with them, your hearing experience could coincide with theirs. With exceptions individual’s taste. Mine is 3.1kHz. If you multiply by 2 of those 3k range, you will know your edgy/sharp/sibilance spots around 6k. 3k range can be varied from 2.5kHz to 3.5kHz by individuals, which means some one can feel 5kHz to be edgy/sharp/harsh, vs 7kHz for someone.

Where can i watch or read for detailed explanation of this thanks!

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Where can i watch or read for detailed explanation of this thanks!

You may find some more HRTF related reading from
1: precogvision’s observation
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/precogs-iem-reviews-impressions.937468/post-16524009

2: my observation of major tonal preferences
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/review-reply/434247/
It’s all the way at the bottom of the review, comment section.

3: my observation of burn-in effect
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/geek-wold-discussion.958787/post-16482707

4: final output of the sound and its contributing factors:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-discovery-thread.586909/post-17265916

Again, that’s just my take, each one got their own answers and views toward sound coming out of anything.

 

[Lobarkaine]

Hi all,
the 7hz 71 dongle is at home, this is a great dongle!

Neutral, well extended frequency response, trasparent, detailed and powerfull. It has an AK4377 chipset, pcm 32 bit/384khz, DSD128 at only € 25,85 with the last black friday discount on Ali, street price € 42,11 included tax, really a bargain immo .

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[eect13]

Hi all,
the 7hz 71 dongle is at home, this is a great dongle!

Neutral, well extended frequency response, trasparent, detailed and powerfull. It has an AK4377 chipset, pcm 32 bit/384khz, DSD128 at only € 25,85 with the last black friday discount on Ali, street price € 42,11 included tax, really a bargain immo .

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Is that really necessary/good? i only have jcally ja3, im waiting on my shuoer s12pro to arrive. Also how about the audirect atom 3 it is around 36usd in my country? Planning to get the audirect atom 3 but there are no reviews yet curious to know what score will andyvault rank it

 

[r31ya]

Hi all,
the 7hz 71 dongle is at home, this is a great dongle!

Neutral, well extended frequency response, trasparent, detailed and powerfull. It has an AK4377 chipset, pcm 32 bit/384khz, DSD128 at only € 25,85 with the last black friday discount on Ali, street price € 42,11 included tax, really a bargain immo .

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hows the power output?

 

[Lobarkaine]

Is that really necessary/good? i only have jcally ja3, im waiting on my shuoer s12pro to arrive. Also how about the audirect atom 3 it is around 36usd in my country? Planning to get the audirect atom 3 but there are no reviews yet curious to know what score will andyvault rank it

Sorry eect13, I don't know your dongle not the audirect atom 3.
Andy Vault is a precious font of informations, with his heplfull reviews I've got the Jcally JM10 and the Avani two very good dongles.
To my ears the 7hz 71 is an hint better, but if you want save money the Avani is a good choice too.

Reading the JA3 Andy's review this dongle has a good CX31993 dac but it lacks of power, maybe you could have to turn up a lot the volume to drive the Shouer S12 pro, so only you know if you need a new dongle.

 

[Lobarkaine]

hows the power output?

To try to give you an idea I may tell you the volume needed to drive the E4000 with a MI9 Lite at a good sound impact.

JM10 90,%
7hz 71 80%
Avani 78%

All this dongles have nice power, but I suspect they are not the top to drive demanding headphones with high impedance.


Reading Andy's review:
"7Hz 71 is a great sounding dongle - the simple fact. Being highly neutral, resolving and articulate with technicalities, making it such an amazing bang for the buck device............While at it (the power), 71 does not slack with more demanding pairing, it has ample juice to not sound outright meek and sketchy. But yes, perhaps best to keep it with those under 50 Ohm or with over 100 dB of sensitivity - and then the output would be 100%."
Rating 4 1/2 stars.

 

[eect13]

Sorry eect13, I don't know your dongle not the audirect atom 3.
Andy Vault is a precious font of informations, with his heplfull reviews I've got the Jcally JM10 and the Avani two very good dongles.
To my ears the 7hz 71 is an hint better, but if you want save money the Avani is a good choice too.

Reading the JA3 Andy's review this dongle has a good CX31993 dac but it lacks of power, maybe you could have to turn up a lot the volume to drive the Shouer S12 pro, so only you know if you need a new dongles.

Thanks, Andyvault said he hopes to review the atom3 but i dont know when, i think i read some people say alc5686 dac chip not that good compared to even cx31993 not sure if that's true. I was considering the musehifi m1 and avani but decided to get another ja3. I want better sound quality than power but i dont know if this even matter because I only listen to spotify's highest settings

 

[Carpet]

Thanks, Andyvault said he hopes to review the atom3 but i dont know when, i think i read some people say alc5686 dac chip not that good compared to even cx31993 not sure if that's true. I was considering the musehifi m1 and avani but decided to get another ja3. I want better sound quality than power but i dont know if this even matter because I only listen to spotify's highest settings

Buying another identical dongle probably isn't the best idea. Either save up and buy something that's an improvement, or a different model that will sound different to give you options. Try and find a different signature. If your current DAC fails, you can always use your phone (as long as it has a 3.5mm jack) until a replacement arrives. If your current DAC works, wait until a sale.

 

[eect13]

Buying another identical dongle probably isn't the best idea. Either save up and buy something that's an improvement, or a different model that will sound different to give you options. Try and find a different signature. If your current DAC fails, you can always use your phone (as long as it has a 3.5mm jack) until a replacement arrives. If your current DAC works, wait until a sale.

That is also what i thought though was really planning to get a better dongle, did not want to purchase the audirect atom3 without reviews (really waiting for andyvault or any good reviews) , i got it the ja3 on sale for 5usd. It was either the musehifi m1 which is 15usd vs the ja3, i prefer the no wire dongle style (i could consider others if it is small), want to hear your thoughts also and some suggestions (i saw people recommend ibasso dc05 on a fb group or ibasso dc03 pro but they are bulky for me not sure if it is worth it), i decided to stick with ja3 since i heard that alc5686 is not that good also compare to cx31993 on reddit not sure if it is true.