CHIFI LOVE Thread-A never ending IEM-Heaphones-DAP-Dongles Sound Value Quest
Mar 29, 2018 at 5:31 PM Post #8,401 of 31,833
Can she wear earbuds? If so and you are in the US I have several Monk + sitting around at home never used(I'd call them dark others can provide any additional info), I can send you one to try and see if that works before you spend any money on anything? Just let me know.
Yea, someone suggested earbuds earlier actually, I might order a pair of Monk+ and see how she likes them. I have been curious about those myself so it wont be for nothing if she doesnt like them. I am in the UK actually, thanks for the offer though.
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 5:42 PM Post #8,402 of 31,833
Yea, someone suggested earbuds earlier actually, I might order a pair of Monk+ and see how she likes them. I have been curious about those myself so it wont be for nothing if she doesnt like them. I am in the UK actually, thanks for the offer though.
No worries, would probably be faster and cheaper since in UK then me mailing a pair especially if you use Amazon. Good luck to you both.
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 5:52 PM Post #8,403 of 31,833
No worries, would probably be faster and cheaper since in UK then me mailing a pair especially if you use Amazon. Good luck to you both.
Did not even think about Amazon tbh, I'll have them tomorrow for a few £ more haha.
I am sure I can gift it to someone if we do not get any use out of them.
Thanks
 
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Mar 29, 2018 at 6:01 PM Post #8,404 of 31,833
I agree that the Vsonic Gr07 is quite venerated, but then again, so is the Etymotics single BA and both are, at this point, outdated. What's worse is that Vsonic seems perfectly happy being stuck in 2012. For the same money as the GR07 (about $100) you can now get more detail, cleaner bass, better mids, and a larger soundstage in the Ibasso IT01. While I agree that jumping on every hype train is a great way to spend money without getting a better product, I also think that ignoring all the new models because you like an older one is a great way to stagnate and cost people more than need be because to get what the it01 offers in 2013 money would have meant recommending the ie800 and spending $600.
Outdated is quite the overstatement - there is a very good reason why most seasoned head-fiers still keep gr07 and er4 in high regard - because they still beat most of the competition. They are not stuck in the past, because when they came out they were way ahead of the competition, which needed years to catch up. Vsonic is the OG, who broke the mold and introduced hi-fi sound coming from China at low price. So using as an example one recent iem that maybe lived up to the hype and is quite the bang for the buck is not really an argument in the sea of hundreds of mediocre multi-driver iems being released each month. You're just proving my point citing the it01, which is a single dynamic driver iem and not a hybrid with 4+ drivers.

And let's be actually realistic, it's ridiculous when people start claiming that this or that $100 iem sounds better than flagship from few years ago that they never heard or were just overpriced. There are some older cheaper iems that are still kicking the ass of most the new ones with "advance technology" inside. Something like Gr07 is so good because of the balance it proves with its presentation staging, timbre, PRAT, articulation, tone, etc., it's not all about the details - even back then there were more detailed iems and bigger sounding iems and iems with faster bass, which gave in to it in another department. Same goes for iems like ety er4s, brainwavz b2, etc. There is a reason why when you ask someone like joker who has heard thousands of iems from all price ranges what to get if you're upgrading from gr07 and he tells you that you have to spend 300 bucks to get an flc8 or something. Brainwavz b2 is the same thing - most people who never heard it will dismiss the idea of a old dual-BA iem, but the only upgrade I've heard to its sound is a Noble 4/Savanna, which means spending 450-500 bucks. So let's be realistic, yes, there might be some great sounding new iems, but let's not put it as a given that all the older iems are inferior coz the are not - they might give in a bit in certain departments, but are still better than the random chi-fi stuff coming out every day with a handful of drivers inside, The hype should be a bit more realistic - that's what I'm just saying. Like withe the magaosi k3 pro last year where some people said it's the best thing ever and people who never heard anything actually good started believing and claiming it beats $400-500 iems, while in fact it couldn't beat a $40 vsonic vsd3s.

You can also go in crinacle's iem ranking thread and ask him why vsonic gr09, gr07x and gr07 and ranked higher than the tfz king, ibasso it03, fiio f9 and other recently hyped iems costing more.
 
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Mar 29, 2018 at 6:46 PM Post #8,405 of 31,833
I know you mentioned it in your post, but it could be easy for someone to miss when they see your BGVP DS1 recommendations:

1.) not everyone has an equalizer
2.) a lot of people refuse to use EQ

With 90% of the IEMs I don’t like (as the manufacturer tuned them), I can “fix” them with EQ and make them sound any way I want (neutral, L shaped, U shaped, mod forward, treble cannons, basshead monsters, etc). But I don’t necessarily recommend them with that caveat, because of #1 and 2 above.
I bought t2 audio would I be fine ?
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 6:59 PM Post #8,407 of 31,833
My KZ ATEs just got here. Wow these are good. Replaced the tips with some spare MEE audio triple flange tips I had lying around, and wow, these are incredible! Clear and articulate, but very present and warm bass, lightning fast and super warm mids, with mellow treble I asked for. For the first five minutes, the left driver was noticeably louder than the right, but the right one kicked in shortly after that five minutes. Super wide sound-stage, which is super neat. I am definitely hooked on chi-fi now!
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 7:10 PM Post #8,409 of 31,833
i just picked up the ue900s, largely on your rec. the trick with them is you really have to insert them deep (like really porn film deep), whereupon you get plenty of oomph. with shallower intrusion, they tend more to the airy side. very good phones, btw, though the stock cable is no prize and i have some issues with the plasticy build.
that said, i have heard BAs with good bass--the phonak 232 and mee a161p come to mind--it's more about implementation than the type of driver.
Yeah, I also stuff them deep down my chute. How much did you pay...mine was $179. I just ordered the Fidue A65 as an example of a cheap but great sounding single dynamic driver.
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 7:21 PM Post #8,410 of 31,833
Buying my first chifi earphones and was wondering if someone could have a look at my list and tell me if I picked a good selection before i buy?
KZ EDR2, KZ HDS3, KZ ZST, KZ ZSR, TIN T2, Rock Zircon, Monk+

Nein: Rock Zircon, Monk+, KZ ZST (ZSR instead)
Ja: KZ EDR2, KZ HDS3, KZ ZSR, TIN T2,
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 7:29 PM Post #8,411 of 31,833
Yeah, I also stuff them deep down my chute. How much did you pay...mine was $179. I just ordered the Fidue A65 as an example of a cheap but great sounding single dynamic driver.
i paid a buck fifty from another headfier, which given the less-than-primo build is where i'd price 'em. the a65 are a fun piece, but if you can find the a73 around a hundo, buy it--it's great
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 7:29 PM Post #8,412 of 31,833
Really? I am so out of the loop, I keep reading through all the older threads so a lot of my picks might be dated and have been superseded.
I was actually going to make my list smaller to KZ ZSR, Tin T2 and the Rock Zircons but now I have second thoughts...
Our household has 3 pairs of Rock Zircon catching dust...our first Chifi...horribly vulgar sounding.
 
Mar 29, 2018 at 7:31 PM Post #8,413 of 31,833
i paid a buck fifty from another headfier, which given the less-than-primo build is where i'd price 'em. the a65 are a fun piece, but if you can find the a73 around a hundo, buy it--it's great
A buck fifty? Worth every penny :)
 
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Mar 29, 2018 at 7:45 PM Post #8,415 of 31,833
Today was a good day...

In the last 2 weeks i received 5 packages, one EMX500, one bluetooth adapter for zst, one Brainwavz B100. And only today by the morning i received a unexpected Tin Audio T2 aaaan, a hifiman Re-400 that the post office said that was lost. After all day listening to these 2 in the morning and after a afternoon of critical listening i will tell my casual impressions. As a revised vision on the good but not great(for my needs) b100 wich have their fans.

Tin audio and Hifiman.

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I paid 25$ for the hifiman, the msrp today is around 45$. They was missed and appeared at my door as a great surprise. They come with plenty tips, and some filters that later i used on mi emi-ci880 and edr2. The cable of hifiman is'nt the nicest. They are VERY tiny and the stock tips sealed well in my ears. The construction is just ok. But the sound is where these veterans shine untill these days. Compared as my other's iems.

Tin audio
Now, lets talk about the impressions starting with the TIN AUDIO T2. I was very hyped for them and anxious to liste what "neutral bright" and the actual "benchmark" under 50$ sounds. And... I was'nt dissapointed.
I was flattered and sucked into the sound immediately. Finally i am able to enjoy a balanced sound over the super coloured sounds that started my journey. NO need for more bass and no sibilance altought being super bright. No fatigue, a good bass extension, body in the vocals and guitars. Details and body in hip-hop songs. Details and body in acoustic songs, everything sounds fine. After my comparision with other iem's i became to that conclusion, By MY standarts, the Tin Audio does nothing wrong. I.e, the emi-ci is super detailed but can be fatiguing, The b100 have plenty of punch in vocals and guitars but add colour to the sound as having to much mid-bass and little sub-bass,the Edr2 has a small hint of sibilance while not having too extended highs and a very powerfull bass(maybe too much). The T2 doesn't have any of those flaws. They are the mixed perfection of all the iem's that i have. The stage is also good as a consequence of the super mature mids session. Things while not being super distant, Are SUPER clear.

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Hifiman
Now, the hifiman re-400. Having the t2 as a reference. The hifiman should receive more attention. For 25$ these are AMAZING, for 50$ they are still in competition. Let me explain. At first glance, they sound just right., that's it. Just plug and enjoy. I listened easily to a lot of songs in them, the bass response is very close to "neutral" having t2 as a refence. Maybe the hifiman have a tad more. Now, the details are'nt the same as t2 and the are less bright than t2. Mind that T2 IS a very bright iem. But, they also suck me immediately to the music. And are the closest to t2 in neutral tone of all my iems. The word for these iem's is GENTLE. Very very gentle, They are also a little quieter. I tought i remember someone telling me that the EDR2 are just as good as Re-400. Well, for me they certainly are'nt. The EDR2 is awesome. But they have too much more bass and artificial mids compared to re-400. The hifiman have more sparkle, less bass, better mids. The mids of re-400 are just "better". Less sibilance in vocals while being very close to the ear. The difference of the signatures are night and day. BUT, i think that everyone should have a edr2... they are better than my modded ZST. That being said, the re-400 are stellar in refence to everything i heard, see my signature.

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Brainwavz b100 and EMI ci-880.

The brainwavz have ther fans, as @Otto Motor that listen to things like hd600 and other very respected iem's and have a more trained ear than mine. But, after analysing what they do to my music, they started to catch less praise of me. They are fun and easy to listen. Lots of wheight in vocals and guitars. But after ABing i saw that the voices changed. They add a little color to my music. Having too much mid bass and little sub-bass while not having a very extended highs(they do have a gentle detail), their qualities turns out to bother me a little. The atmosphere is good, lots of wheight. Very good for commute as they fit perfectly. They are diferent and i never tought a ba could do what these iem's can do. They deserve a chance. Warm but not dark approach. But i think i will try to sell them. I don't dislike them and if i can't sell they are going to be used frequently. I just want a chance to experiment something different.

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I just wanted to say that i applied the filter on the ci880 and it didn't muflled the sound. They are my reference in bightness. Brighter than t2. The t2 are more musical and i prefer it that way. But comparing to t2 and re-400 the emi-880 have the most "clear" room. In their specific way. Super analytical and adding lots of volume to the highs. A little eq or a brain burn in and these shine. I also added a filter in edr2 and the vocals became more gentle. The difference is little.

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EMX 500, ez ask and KZ BT cable.

My ez ask now have a broken cable and i was unable to test them. But for my memory i think that my favourite iems are - T2, re400 and EZ ASK. I ordered a replacement cable.

The KZ bt cable sounds fine, plenty of volume. But the signal is too weak. The sound stops if i go just two steps of the source and everytime if i am using in the street. The cellphone has to be close to the iem. Like in the upper part of the backpack.

EMX500 ARE GREAT, Just that. Better than vido. I will say just that. I put them and forgot that i am listening to a earbud.
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I LOVE YOU HIFIMAN RE-400 and TIN audio t2.

What bring my attention now are only zhyiin z500 because the musicality that the hifiman showed me, and the bgvp ds1 for the miracles of the neutral tuning. Musicality and neutrality are qualities atribuited to z5000 and ds1... But i have absolutely no rush. I want to enjoy my iem's.

Thank you if you are reading untill here, and i hope that my impressions of a curious listener worried of sound quality helps in something.
 
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