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cd VS record myth explained within!
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What fallacy? Both CD and vinyl can get stuck and repeat the same section of play.
| Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif ah the "Fallacy" of repetition 
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What fallacy? Both CD and vinyl can get stuck and repeat the same section of play.
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Poor you. Drum-and-Bass, reggae, Slamming Bass; they all carry 20Hz tones. A Technics 1200 with Stanton cartridge is the weapon of choice.
| Originally Posted by ozz /img/forum/go_quote.gif i would like to see the player tone arm and cartridge that can stay in a 20hz groove much less play it. |
Poor you. Drum-and-Bass, reggae, Slamming Bass; they all carry 20Hz tones. A Technics 1200 with Stanton cartridge is the weapon of choice.
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http://store.acousticsounds.com/brow...Title_ID=35532
Track 7. That's some sweep!
Actually most House and Hip Hop records, not to mention Reggae, have bass this low. Analogue synthesisers and drum machines like the Roland TR-808 produce bass frequncies only a large pipe organ can match (An Olivier Messiaen sung mass at Notre Dame De Paris will rearrange you insides
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The Technics SL1200 with a Stanton A500 cart tracking at 2-3g will play 20hz no problem.
| Originally Posted by ozz /img/forum/go_quote.gif i would like to see the player tone arm and cartridge that can stay in a 20hz groove much less play it. |
http://store.acousticsounds.com/brow...Title_ID=35532
Track 7. That's some sweep!
Actually most House and Hip Hop records, not to mention Reggae, have bass this low. Analogue synthesisers and drum machines like the Roland TR-808 produce bass frequncies only a large pipe organ can match (An Olivier Messiaen sung mass at Notre Dame De Paris will rearrange you insides
The Technics SL1200 with a Stanton A500 cart tracking at 2-3g will play 20hz no problem.
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| Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Technics SL1200 with a Stanto....org/smilies/newsmiles/k1000smile.gif[/img] ? |
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Referring to the this thread http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...cy#post3270777
In the sense that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.
| Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif What fallacy? Both CD and vinyl can get stuck and repeat the same section of play. |
Referring to the this thread http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...cy#post3270777
In the sense that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.
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Would that be Crunk or Dubstep ?
pretty sure it's not Willie Nelson anyway
| Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Slamming Bass... |
Would that be Crunk or Dubstep ?
pretty sure it's not Willie Nelson anyway
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yeah i supose i could have tracked the cartridge to 3 or better grams in the
70's and speed up the wear on my records just to play the 25 hz that may
or maybe not had been there and what eq are you using to see that there is
a 20hz note on the pressing.
| Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Poor you. Drum-and-Bass, reggae, Slamming Bass; they all carry 20Hz tones. A Technics 1200 with Stanton cartridge is the weapon of choice. |
yeah i supose i could have tracked the cartridge to 3 or better grams in the
70's and speed up the wear on my records just to play the 25 hz that may
or maybe not had been there and what eq are you using to see that there is
a 20hz note on the pressing.
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I am talking 80's and 90's! Drum n Bass and Slamming Bass are not so long ago.
3g? Ever thought of using a thicker shank instead of digging out the grooves on your vinyl?
EQ? what EQ? I got stacks of reggae tunes with notes that go below 20Hz. You need 18" speakers to really get a feel for those. You can't hear them, just feel them. Heay, even the last Pirate of the Caribbean film has a couple of sub 20Hz notes.And the beginning of #7 of the Katie Malua album has a double bass that goes below 20Hz.
Can't hear anything? Change your system for a better one.
3g? Ever thought of using a thicker shank instead of digging out the grooves on your vinyl?
EQ? what EQ? I got stacks of reggae tunes with notes that go below 20Hz. You need 18" speakers to really get a feel for those. You can't hear them, just feel them. Heay, even the last Pirate of the Caribbean film has a couple of sub 20Hz notes.And the beginning of #7 of the Katie Malua album has a double bass that goes below 20Hz.
Can't hear anything? Change your system for a better one.
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http://store.acousticsounds.com/brow...Title_ID=35532
hello here is a test pressing with a 20hz test sweep !
Actually you don't need to use something as crude as a conical Stanton to track deep bass, the Shure V15 is well known for it's abilities in this regard tracking at a gram.
It comes down to design and engineering of the whole system not just adding a penny to the headshell.
My tangential tracking Beogram with ruby cantilever and nude stylus can pump out the latest Sub-lo cuts no problem...
| Originally Posted by ozz /img/forum/go_quote.gif yeah i supose i could have tracked the cartridge to 3 or better grams in the 70's and speed up the wear on my records just to play the 25 hz that may or maybe not had been there and what eq are you using to see that there is a 20hz note on the pressing. |
http://store.acousticsounds.com/brow...Title_ID=35532
hello here is a test pressing with a 20hz test sweep !
Actually you don't need to use something as crude as a conical Stanton to track deep bass, the Shure V15 is well known for it's abilities in this regard tracking at a gram.
It comes down to design and engineering of the whole system not just adding a penny to the headshell.
My tangential tracking Beogram with ruby cantilever and nude stylus can pump out the latest Sub-lo cuts no problem...
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Actually, I doubt that those have 20Hz at any kind of volume level. 20Hz is extremely low and to be able to reproduce it, it requires some pretty serious speakers and some even more serious amping. The lowest I've found is on Dorati's 1812 Overture. The cannon fire on that CD goes down to 25Hz. I bet they filtered that a bit to tame it for LP release. The needle would definitely jump the groove. There was a Telarc digital LP I had with a bass drum hit that was absolutely impossible to track properly. It worked fine on CD.
See ya
Steve
| Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Poor you. Drum-and-Bass, reggae, Slamming Bass; they all carry 20Hz tones. A Technics 1200 with Stanton cartridge is the weapon of choice. |
Actually, I doubt that those have 20Hz at any kind of volume level. 20Hz is extremely low and to be able to reproduce it, it requires some pretty serious speakers and some even more serious amping. The lowest I've found is on Dorati's 1812 Overture. The cannon fire on that CD goes down to 25Hz. I bet they filtered that a bit to tame it for LP release. The needle would definitely jump the groove. There was a Telarc digital LP I had with a bass drum hit that was absolutely impossible to track properly. It worked fine on CD.
See ya
Steve
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| Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif Actually you don't need to use so...t make them like that anymore I am afraid.... |
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You talking to a former shebin music expert. I used to make 18 and 20 inch bass bins and fan cooled 1K to 4K power amps in the late 70' and early 80's. Iam talking from stoned experience here
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| Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif Actually, I doubt that those have 20Hz at any kind of volume level. 20Hz is extremely low and to be able to reproduce it, it requires some pretty serious speakers and some even more serious amping. |
You talking to a former shebin music expert. I used to make 18 and 20 inch bass bins and fan cooled 1K to 4K power amps in the late 70' and early 80's. Iam talking from stoned experience here
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i have looked for a drum all morning that is capable of lower than a 40hz
note and all i can come up with is not a drum a moog syn can go to 20hz
easily and telarc's 1812 on cd the canon shoots 18hz the bass string on
modern bass tuned to 31.5 if there is a real drum that hits 20hz i want
a copy of the cd and humbly stand corrected as stated i did not have junk
in the 70's and 80's thorens turntable sme tonearm denon mc and i am
sure if a 20hz signal was present on a pressing and it stayed in the groove
there would have been no way to have kept the feedback from the rumble
going back through the cartridge.
note and all i can come up with is not a drum a moog syn can go to 20hz
easily and telarc's 1812 on cd the canon shoots 18hz the bass string on
modern bass tuned to 31.5 if there is a real drum that hits 20hz i want
a copy of the cd and humbly stand corrected as stated i did not have junk
in the 70's and 80's thorens turntable sme tonearm denon mc and i am
sure if a 20hz signal was present on a pressing and it stayed in the groove
there would have been no way to have kept the feedback from the rumble
going back through the cartridge.
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Where did anyone say anything about a "real" by which I suppose you mean acoustically recorded drum? I said a Roland TR 808 Bass Drum or pretty much any analogue synthsiser goes as low as the only "real" instrument capable of this kind of frequncy, which is a large church organ.
| Originally Posted by ozz /img/forum/go_quote.gif i have looked for a drum all morning that is capable of lower than a 40hz note and all i can come up with is not a drum a moog syn can go to 20hz easily and telarc's 1812 on cd the canon shoots 18hz the bass string on modern bass tuned to 31.5 if there is a real drum that hits 20hz i want a copy of the cd . |
Where did anyone say anything about a "real" by which I suppose you mean acoustically recorded drum? I said a Roland TR 808 Bass Drum or pretty much any analogue synthsiser goes as low as the only "real" instrument capable of this kind of frequncy, which is a large church organ.
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