Today I spoke with friend who works in headquarter of Beyer in Helbron in Germany (in position manager for own region) and he said me that they are working on open and closed version of T1, and they are interested on version for HeadZone. But when they will release open or closed version is difficult to say, because they have so high number of preorders or regular orders, so they today hardly craft actual T1 model. But R&D is hardly working on other models. The prices will be near around actual T1 model, there will be not dramatically differ.
DarKu (#
1351) – I agree, their sound is NOT plastic, they sound very musically, natural, and like true super high end model.
musicman59 (#
1360, #
1361) – Yes, in Europe (Slovakia, Czech republic) are customers waiting longer time too. I spoke with distributor and he said that the limits for many countries are full, so when you order now you need calculate with delay, because T1 are more successful as Beyer expected, there are so much orders. And one joke – one sheikh was so fascinated with HD 800 so he decided to purchase more, 5 pieces, more 10 pieces, more, 25 pieces, more, completely wonderful 100 pieces. And he is interested now „attacking“ Beyer with T1. I think, he will wait and wait and wait .... All need time.
CountChoculaBot #
1364 – Yes, it is true without any other words.
corentin #
1366 – Yes, I own both T1, HD 800 and D-7000. For rock with T1 you will be very satisfied. They are much more detailed then D-7000, with better soundstage, more balanced, better highs, more continuous etc.
Zoide #
1373 – price factor is one crucial aspect. Some producers are more overcosted as natural. I think, Grado GS 1000 or PS 1000 are heavily overcosted, their price is extreme in compare with HE-5. I do not thing that there is principal reason for so extreme price difference between HE-5 (600 dolars) and PS 1000 or GS 1000. For Grado headphones, as bigger they are is same about overcosting. GS 1000 are three years in market but they cost same price when HD 800 in Europe are going slowly down with price, you are able purchase them for at about 920-950 euro. Look for K 701 what they costs now. I do not think that Grado has so extremely expensive development so he needs calculate this part of price for several years. In other situation (in EU) is AKG. The model K-701 is very strong in quality to price. They cost here less then 250 euro. AKG has several models with very good ratio for price, so they can be “quite” with attack for super high end class. In general, it is true that more expensive caps are better then chipper (or lower) class, but this is not general rule. Here are several examples where some models are extremely effective in quality to price and opposite.
MacedonianHero – Yes, HD 800 are excellent for jazz or classical music. For Rock, it depends on amp. HD 800 gave you different experience then T1. But, as I wrote in review, with T1 you obtain one experience, with HD 800 different one for rock, but I think, for several rock tracks they are both a good choice. RS1 has less detail, highs are in many Grado models problematic. When you listen K-701 and RS-2 or RS-1, they are incomparable.
JaZZ – Same I can say about Bechmark DAC PRE + HD 800 or T1.
MacedonianHero #
1378,
Palpatine #
1380 – Yes, 5 years is true. Beyer headphones are rarely broken, so they are able to give you longer time warranty. They are built for everyday application. So when your children will be in action, no problem, they will work like Swiss clocks. But, I know some models which are problematic. Once they fall from table, they are broken. In Germany in one forum was said that GS 1000 or PS 1000 are tending to be broken after one year. Once they fall, you can calculate with problem with sound.
subtle (#1381) – But for KOSS unlimited warranty is not so beautiful as it looks like. It is only example of the power of statistics. It is unlimited, but what is for you unlimited in practice.
brat (#1383) – balanced, fast highs, continuous in borders between middles or highs, bass or middles ... I can say you much more.
subtle (#1384) – once I listen KOSS electrostats and I was not so satisfied. Koss is concentrated for consume (low end) class, so you not expect something serious.
brat (#1387) – and naturally my reviews too.
kool bubba ice (#1394),
joomongj (#1393) – Grado headphones are specific. I know people who said that GS 1000 or PS 1000 tend to be broken or their ear-cussions are going down after few mounts ....
MacedonianHero (#1396) – the time of warranty is only one aspect. In excellent headphones there are used materials which have extreme durability and holding time, so they are able work more then 10 years without any problems. For some parts in HD 800 you have much longer warranty too. The unlimited warranty you often have for top cables.
MacedonianHero (#1397) – when you visit him amp, you will use it not more then 1 minute. I had a good joke in High End exhibition when I joined 600 impendace DT 990. The sound was creazy. There was better idea to use MP3 player without Grado amp then with him RA1. This amp is example of „cynic“ or arogant amp. Ony for 32 ohm impedantion (or very neer) and for sensitivity which is very neer to Grado headphones, all other is out of interest for John. Grado simply does „amp“ for him headphones and all other, this is not business for other producers. For example, Lehmann audio Linear is good portable amp for most of headphones and with good price tag. This is only the problematic approach by John Grado. Nothing less nothing more. Same is true with warranty.
Xcalibur255 – (#1405) – simply said Beyerdynamic has calculated that the ratio of „broken“ top headphones from Premium class is small for longer time period as is ussual, so they had no problem to give 5 year warranty. But producers which are not so to be sure, so they are more conservative and with conventional warranty time. I can tell you some producers (not headphones), where their „product“ will be broken after few weeks after warranty. During warranty, all ok, but a little after, they can be totaly down.
Seamaster (#1405),
CountChoculaBot (#1403) – aha the cables are going to be important topic for T1 too. I welcome your issue, because when I presented something, several people was „active“ about my topic, so more different oppinions or interests, it is better for everybody.
Seamaster (#1407) – it depends on fact what you expect. When you want join T1 (balanced) to top amps, then no one of these producers will deliver you right cable, but when you are interested on standard devices, these two producers are perfect choice for you.
argentum (#1408),
Helmore (#1410) – I understand, because unexceptional number of people are interested on it and you are in queue. But situation with T1 is better then with HD 800, because you wait for real concrete time when waiting for T1 was „unexpectable“, other delay, other delay ...
MacedonianHero (#1409 – you are only in the beginning. Heinz said me that he racabled T1 with Kraut top cable and then he was very amazed with Pink Floyd ... You have devices for class 2 in my classification, so you know ONLY limited information. You have NOT listen true quality of T1. I know what I say you.
