best interconnect for the bang? (better than bluejean)

[bigshot]

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Originally Posted by jcx /img/forum/go_quote.gif from inspecting the results of having more than one come apart as it gripped too tighly it is obvious that the sheild is not 360 degree terminated under that moulding

Are you talking about the gold Radio Shack cables? Those grab on WAY too hard. I hate those with a passion. I haven't had any problems at all like that with the standard grade ones.

See ya
Steve

 

[Uncle Erik]

IpodPJ, have you seen this?

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/bl...esults-190566/

The members here had a tough time telling the difference between cables. Testing conditions weren't rigorous; people were allowed to use them in their systems as they saw fit and had plenty of time to listen.

Even then, the results were about the same as random guessing. I know of no other test where people have been able to tell the difference between cables. This controversy has been brewing for a good 20 years and still, no one has been able to pass a test.

Say what you want about blind testing, but if the results are "obvious" and "night and day," then the people who hear that should still be able to without seeing the cable. The claim is that the sound different, not that a cable looks different. A visible logo shouldn't change anything, right?

Also consider that excellent test tools have been available for a good 50 years. As far as I know, no manufacturer has actually tested their cables and shown the difference between their product and the competition. Look at cable ads: 100% testimonials and soft claims. Nothing that can be actually proven.

Very, very curious. How come all other products, from cars to washing machines, from concrete to steel, are qualitatively measured and tested? Why are amps and speakers tested, but cables are not?

What would the benefits of testing be? If you could show your product to be better than the competition, then you would have a marketing and sales advantage. Why don't cable companies do this? It's not a secret. Ask the salesman at your car dealer. He'll tell you how his cars stack up against the competition, and with hard numbers. Ask the admissions department at a university. They will give you hard figures about admissions and everything you would want to know about the school.

Another industry that hides behind soft claims and testimonials is quack medicine. Do you really think a magic herbal pill will cure cancer, as well? Do you believe in testing pharmaceuticals?

 

[monolith]

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Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif anything other than this is a waste of money. http://www.ace4parts.com/images/prod...G34_medium.jpg

There's enough trolling without your sarcasm every other page, man.

 

[tomjtx]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif Obviously that's B.S. Just because you can't hear a difference (with your ears or your system) doesn't mean there aren't any. If there was no difference, people wouldn't spend money on better cables.

there are so many logical fallacies in your post that the best response to it would be to recommend you take a course in logic at your local university

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, if you can't hear or measure a difference, it doesn't indicate that there IS one. And if you can't hear it or measure the difference, it doesn't matter at all because you can't hear it or measure it.

I said if YOU can't hear it.

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I asked if you were young and you didn't answer. May I ask if you are still in school?

Why is my age important to you? I'm almost 30.

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif IPodPJ, don't be so sure you will hear the differences, I have seen guys, audiophiles and not, fail miserably in front of me, while trying to indentify gear, and cables, OK? Even claim to hear difference while they should not hear any, trust me that placebo is stronger of what you believe, not saying that they can not make an small difference, just that if they are, are so subtle, that is not so easy to indentify them...

Alberto,
I have no doubt I would fail a test with trying to identify cables in someone else's system. Anyone who claims they can identify what you've switched in someone else's system is full of crap.
I can tell the difference in MY system because I've spent countless hours with it. I've switched my cables back and forth so many times that I know exactly what MY cables sound like in MY system.
It's very possible that in someone else's system with other equipment that a good cable will make no difference at all. That is not the case though with MY system.

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif IpodPJ, have you seen this? http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/bl...esults-190566/ The members here had a tough time telling the difference between cables. Testing conditions weren't rigorous; people were allowed to use them in their systems as they saw fit and had plenty of time to listen.

Yes, I've read that. That test was rather pointless since it only gathers information about people's expectations of what certain materials sound like. I've heard copper cables that sound better than silver cables, so I don't think you can give a definitive answer of what a certain metal will sound like. Different cables sound different in different systems.

What is funny is how people describe copper and silver. They say copper has a warm sound while silver is bright. Have you ever noticed how the words they use to describe that cable's sonic signature resemble the way they look? THAT is placebo at work. I don't believe you can give a description of a cable's sonic signature. You can only give a description of how your system sounds with that particular cable in place.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes, I've read that. That test was rather pointless since it only gathers information about people's expectations of what certain materials sound like. I've heard copper cables that sound better than silver cables, so I don't think you can give a definitive answer of what a certain metal will sound like. Different cables sound different in different systems. What is funny is how people describe copper and silver. They say copper has a warm sound while silver is bright. Have you ever noticed how the words they use to describe that cable's sonic signature resemble the way they look? THAT is placebo at work. I don't believe you can give a description of a cable's sonic signature. You can only give a description of how your system sounds with that particular cable in place.

The conclusion of that test showed for the majority of the participants, a completely random result, and if it is true they were asked for the materials of the cable, but regardless of what they believe the sound should be, the silver one definitelly should sound better than the RS, according to the audiophile standards, that consider that the RS as one of the worst cables on earth as well.

Silver is a better conductor, and it was manufactured decently by Edwood, and as you said, it may sound wrong in a given setup due to the synergy, but in all of them? They believed, and they conclude, in the majority of the cases, that the silver one was the RS, in other words, the silver cable in all the setups but one, sounded worst than the other two...Does that ring any bell to you???

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif Alberto, I have no doubt I would fail a test with trying to identify cables in someone else's system. Anyone who claims they can identify what you've switched in someone else's system is full of crap. I can tell the difference in MY system because I've spent countless hours with it. I've switched my cables back and forth so many times that I know exactly what MY cables sound like in MY system. It's very possible that in someone else's system with other equipment that a good cable will make no difference at all. That is not the case though with MY system.

It is a real shame, that we lived so far...otherwise I would pay you a visit, if you let me, of course, with a few set of cables, to see how you will handle the test, but till this happen, you can say what you want, and claim what you want, and nothing is proved either way, as the test should be done first...

 

[vcoheda]

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Originally Posted by monolith /img/forum/go_quote.gif There's enough trolling without your sarcasm every other page, man.

but according to some people here, it's true. no?

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif It is a real shame, that we lived so far...otherwise I would pay you a visit, if you let me, of course, with a few set of cables, to see how you will handle the test, but till this happen, you can say what you want, and claim what you want, and nothing is proved either way, as the test should be done first...

I would like to go a meet one of these days and bring my equipment so we could do that. But then the variables change, because the power could be a whole lot cleaner than it is in my apartment. So I guess we would have to do it here.

Sure, I'd test out any cables you'd bring. But I never claimed I would be able to identify what they are made out of. I would only be able to tell which one sounds the best, after about a week listening to it in my system. And I guarantee you would be able to hear the difference between my tinfoil-wrapped Master LE and either my stock cable or the well-built Cobalt Cable. And chances are your amp sounds a lot better than mine anyway. The Opera is very particular of what you put into it (it's served it's purpose thusfar but I think I will eventually have to replace it with a discrete amp). The electric in my apartment building is so poor.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sure, I'd test out any cables you'd bring. But I never claimed I would be able to identify what they are made out of. I would only be able to tell which one sounds the best, after about a week listening to it in my system. And I guarantee you would be able to hear the difference between my tinfoil-wrapped Master LE and either my stock cable or the well-built Cobalt Cable. And chances are your amp sounds a lot better than mine anyway. The Opera is very particular of what you put into it. The electric in my apartment building is so poor.

LOL...You are very smart, now you are changing the terms, nope, I do not need the material, all I want is you to indentify your cables in your system.. (we never discussed to select which is better or worst after a week...who cares about that?)

You said that you can identify your cables in your system, right?

"...I can tell the difference in MY system because I've spent countless hours with it. I've switched my cables back and forth so many times that I know exactly what MY cables sound like in MY system..."

So all I want from you is to do what you are claiming, nothing else, in a trully double blind test using your system, you should be able to indentify your cables, as you stated...

I will be at the FL meeting, for a whole week in the hotel, you are welcome anyday if you go there...

Again is a real shame I could not meet you, to go for the test...Becasue trust me, that you, as anybody else, will fail miserably...

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif LOL...You are very smart, now you are changing the terms, nope, I do not need the material, all I want is you to indentify your cables in your system.. (we never discussed to select which is better or worst after a week...who cares about that?) You said that you can identify your cables in your system, right?

I'm not changing any terms. You said you wanted to bring cables with you. I can identify my own cables in my own system.

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So all I want from you is to do what you are claiming, nothing else, in a trully double blind test using your system, you should be able to indentify your cables, as you stated...

You betcha.

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I will be at the FL meeting, for a whole week in the hotel, you are welcome anyday if you go there...

Well that's not going to happen. I'm in Cali. But I was born in Florida and lived there for five years. Only returned once since, when I was 12. I would like to go back again because I remembered I liked it. But way too humid.

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Again is a real shame I could not meet you, to go for the test...Becasue trust me, that you, as anybody else, will fail miserably...

Well that started off sounding nice, and then you had to go and ruin it with a snobby comment. Why do you guys seem to forget that I was of the same opinion as ALL of you skeptics. Go back and read some of my old posts. I only discovered that cables and power cords made a difference after I listened to them in MY system with my own ears.

There's a reason Stereophile and Absolute Sound give reviews of amps and CD players with high end cables. I'm not talking about the reviews of the cables where they could be biased due to the advertising of the manufacturers. I'm talking about the reviews of the amps and CD players. If they made no difference, surely one of the reviewers after all these years would let the cat out of the bag on the internet or by telling one of their friends.

 

[gotchaforce]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif There's a reason Stereophile and Absolute Sound give reviews of amps and CD players with high end cables. I'm not talking about the reviews of the cables where they could be biased due to the advertising of the manufacturers. I'm talking about the reviews of the amps and CD players. If they made no difference, surely one of the reviewers after all these years would let the cat out of the bag on the internet or by telling one of their friends.

Yeah its too bad those stereophile reviewers werent offered something ridiculous like $1,000,000 to find the difference between cables and backed off.

I mean how ridiculous would that be if a reveiwer from stereophile, someone who HAS to have a "golden ear", would turn down the chance for a million dollars and all they have to do is identify the better cable!?!?

I can only imagine what that would say about the golden ears of our industry and their faith in cables...

 

[OverlordXenu]

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Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif anything other than this is a waste of money.

I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with your posts, lately. Are you trying to troll? Be sarcastic? Am I missing something?

We all know you like your cables, VD, Nordost, Cardas, etc. all liven up your profile.

Seriously. I thought you would be above trolling.