Aune T1 USB Tube DAC+ SS Amp Discussion Thread ***See first post for FAQ--Updated on 02/14/15***
Jan 1, 2014 at 6:19 PM Post #3,766 of 8,309
 
In one word "Yes". It does deliver a tube sound.
 
First. It is a SS amp and a SS DAC. A tube DAC would be the size of a bus. So all the solid state stuff does its job but exiting the DAC it uses the 6DJ8/6922 tube as a buffer and that is where the "tubey" sound comes from. As Coil pointed out, this is clearly evidenced by tube rolling. I myself in less than a week have tried 4 tubes, each distinctly unique in its presentation.
 
Also, I think I can speak to tubes...LOL
 
Vellmen amp welcoming the AUNE to the neighborhood

Hammond Organ amp converted

 
Coronado

 
Nice gear :)
 
I have a DAC (FiiO E18), so the LD or Vali could be a choice. But the all in one solution is quiet attractive, the Aune T1 looks better then the LD gear does...
 
As I can see you have some serious tube amps. How does the Aune T1 compares to them, not being a real tube amp?
Is a tube buffer enough in order to deliver tube sound, or does it come with a compromise?
 
Jan 1, 2014 at 6:31 PM Post #3,768 of 8,309
   
Nice gear :)
 
I have a DAC (FiiO E18), so the LD or Vali could be a choice. But the all in one solution is quiet attractive, the Aune T1 looks better then the LD gear does...
 
As I can see you have some serious tube amps. How does the Aune T1 compares to them, not being a real tube amp?
Is a tube buffer enough in order to deliver tube sound, or does it come with a compromise?


Really hard to say. Let me explain...
 
My rig has been geared toward vinyl. The phono stage and preamp are solid state and they exit via the Velleman tube amp. The Velleman is sweet and very much taliorable by the swapping of 12AX7 input tubes (Mullard, RCA, GE, Sylvania) all unique.
 
Previously, my digital input was via CD or from my Surface Tablet (3.5mm jack out to RCA's) into the preamp. The Surface has an onboard DAC but the sound was "ok".
 
Now with the AUNE, I use the USB out on the Surface to the AUNE and then RCA out to the pre-amp. Amazing difference. Soundstage, clarity, nice forward mids...
 
Then playing with the tubes (really the stock tube is better than one expects) you can hear the differences the types offer. So here was my review of the first ones. NOTE - this applies to my system. Of course every systems will be a bit different (links in the chain) but definitively , yes a clean tube sound...
 
The Stock tube - 6922EH - New tube by Electro Harmonix - 3 1/2 stars (out of 5)
For a stock, new design tube, I have to say it has its merits. it has strong gain, very wide soundstage, brings the mid's into focus where they should be. The vocalist is present where they should be and clearly distinct in a 3D sort of way. The bottom is nice, not boomy but the top end, while detailed can be a bit fatiguing. I can say it is like an Audio Technica microline cart that hasn't broken in yet. Vaguely bordering on sibilant in that high upper range - not quite getting there but you almost expect it. For a stock new issue tube, not bad.
 
 
Vintage Amperex Tube 6GM8 / ECC86 - With Orange Globe and made in Herleen Holland - 1968 - 4 stars (or maybe 3.8 stars  This is one of the holy grail tubes, hard to find with the globe in this setup. More often it has a bugle boy on it (not BUGLE BOY tubes..long story). They can be expensive and I snagged this for $14.99 It is a fine sounding tube, very holographic with nice highs and mids. It takes the edginess off that was present in the 6922EH but without being rolled off. Bass is very deep...perhaps too deep. I could feel it which was nice but found myself wondering if it was a bit boomy. Certainly would not be describe as tight crisp bass. Sort of made me think my bottom end was replaced with some Cerwin Vega D9's. From what I have heard so far..I would almost (and did) give it 4 stars but more listening with other types move it down to 3. So much for one of the better recommended. This is where system variations truly dictate what is good for whom
 
Vintage Amperex PCC88 Tube (7DJ8) Holland - with Orange Globe Amperex Seam - 69-15 code - 5 Stars *****
Simply amazing at all levels - I don't have to say more. STRONG bass for you headphone listeners without being boomy. TOP RATING - Tied with the other 5 Star
 
6GM8 ECC86 Tube (GE Label marking) made in HOLLAND - Vintage 1963 - 4.25 Stars ****
This one made my eyes pop. It is not one that was advertised as remarkable, in fact, I don't see a lot of listing for it (Brent J doesn't) but I guess for me it is a best kept secret. From top to bottom, everything was detailed, in the right place with a wide holographic sound stage. The bass is where the Amperex SHOULD have been but was not, the vocals a pure joy as you could hear the vocalist at the mic. Vey nice, clear separation of instruments, nothing munged together. So far, my best tube. One note, it says MADE IN HOLLAND on it (factory lettering) but the CODES say it was made in Hamburg Germany. WWII was over in 1963, right ? LOL
 
Mullard 6GM8/ECC86 Coded- ~~D4A2 - 4.5 Stars **** *(revised)
I was excited to get my first Mullard in this series as I have come to expect good things. Now I have received TWO of these, same date code, same lot and never seen a socket. UPDATE - After over 40 hours break-in, I have completely revised my opinion. This is the tube Mullard is known for. Warm, velvet, detailed without being fatiguing. High's are sweet with no roll-off and bass is like comfy slippers. Soundstage is perfect and mids, nicely forward. It doesn't get the full 5 stars because I have heard a few tubes with just a tad more details but no one would ever be sorry buying this tube.
 
Sylvania . 6DJ8 ECC88 Halo Getter Yellow Lettering USA FB EFB - 4 Stars
Now this is more like it. Very nice tube. Beautiful soundstage, deep base but not boomy. Nice mid's. For under $10 shipped, this tube is beautiful. So why 4 stars ? Comparatively, the GE at 4.25 STARs still bests this one slightly with a bit more detail and a bit more forward in the mids, Still a beautiful tube and if I never heard the GE, this would be my #1. There is a smooth quality to it, velvety that I expected from the Mullard (but did not get). You would be crazy not to try one for a price in this range.
 
GE Labeled SIEMENS 6AQ8 ECC85 GERMANY - cant make out date code 5.0 Stars *****/
This bad boy is amazing, Soundstage impresses you immediately as does the detail. This and my other GE labeled tube will knock your socks off.  Would make anyone happy -this 6AQ8 which I think has a tad better soundstage (by a thumbnail) but also just a thumbnail less bass. . I listened to about 12 different type songs and could find no wrong EXCEPT some heavy metal tune by Nickelback and that may be the mastering, I need to check. But all other cuts, gorgeous. Vocals will make your head spin and take notice.
 
GE Labeled USA Made 6DJ8- Holy Cow  4.5 Stars ****/
who knew that a USA made GE from the 60's would be so good. Read everything about the Siemens above only subtract 1/2 star
 
Russian Voskhod 6N23P - 1986 vintage - Made for medical use (red tip) - 1 star
Unlike some very good SOVTEK, SVETLANA and others that are sturdy and have a decent sound quality, these were as dull and lifeless as they come. The soundstage was narrow and flat (no depth). I really have nothing positive to say except I am glad I only paid $9.00 for a pair. I'll sell them for $7.00 - any takers ? LOL
 
Jan 1, 2014 at 7:17 PM Post #3,770 of 8,309
Nice comments arcorob. Your set up looks spectacular. Which Velleman amp is this? I couldn't find it on their site.


Teb...Its the Velleman K4040. They don't offer it anymore...believe it or not, it was an intense KIT. It can still be found for sale in a few places....It was originally EL34 buy I replaced with GE 6L6GC's from 1961.
https://www.tubedepot.com/products/velleman-k4040-stereo-vacuum-tube-amplifier-kit
 
The assembly guide
https://d1sjrnpi226dnf.cloudfront.net/spree/attached_files/Manual_K4040.pdf?1382030221
 
Inside my Velleman - The LEDS behind the front panel let you BIAS each of the 8 power tubes - flip a dip switch, set the LED for green, move on to the next. VERY easy



 
Jan 1, 2014 at 8:22 PM Post #3,771 of 8,309
 
Really hard to say. Let me explain...
 
My rig has been geared toward final. The phono stage and preamp are solid state and they exit via the Velleman tube amp. The Velleman is sweet and very much taliorable by the swapping of 12AX7 input tubes (Mullard, RCA, GE, Sylvania) all unique.
 
Previously, my digital input was via CD or from my Surface Tablet (3.5mm jack out to RCA's) into the preamp. The Surface has an onboard DAC but the sound was "ok".
 
Now with the AUNE, I use the USB out on the Surface to the AUNE and then RCA out to the pre-amp. Amazing difference. Soundstage, clarity, nice forward mids...
 
Then playing with the tubes (really the stock tube is better than one expects) you can hear the differences the types offer. So here was my review of the first ones. NOTE - this applies to my system. Of course every systems will be a bit different (links in the chain) but definitively , yes a clean tube sound...
 
The Stock tube - 6922EH - New tube by Electro Harmonix - 3 1/2 stars (out of 5) [/B]For a stock, new design tube, I have to say it has its merits. it has strong gain, very wide soundstage, brings the mid's into focus where they should be. The vocalist is present where they should be and clearly distinct in a 3D sort of way. The bottom is nice, not boomy but the top end, while detailed can be a bit fatiguing. I can say it is like an Audio Technica microline cart that hasn't broken in yet. Vaguely bordering on sibilant in that high upper range - not quite getting there but you almost expect it. For a stock new issue tube, not bad.
 
 


Interesting ..little mixed reaction in this one from the other reviews ,makes me thing that combining Aune T1 with another preamp  can make some tubes shine more then others ,as for Amperex I would agree that it can give to much bass,for me it's little to juicy/boomy 
Thank you for the review
 
Can someone recommend tube amp that will compliment Aune T1 ?,I'm looking at DarkVoice 336SE and since it uses other tubes how would this affect the Aune ? I want some more options to choose from  
Thanks  
 
Jan 1, 2014 at 8:49 PM Post #3,772 of 8,309
You will always have that balancing act of tubes on tubes..but here is a good rules to follow,
 
If you are set with one piece of gear..your tubes give you the exact balance, then it is easier to add something else that is tube driven and balance out.
 
So for example, if you have a system (tube) and it is perfect to you, top to bottom, but you add an AUNE and it is a bit bright, then the answer is to get a less bright tube, In my case, the 6922EH leaned toward bright, the orange globe Amperex, bass heavy (boomy)...The GE ..Perfect (or damn close..lol...still experimenting)
 
But if you buy the AUNE and a tube headphone amp, balance is a harder task. Not impossible, just more difficult. 
 
so a two tube head amps I like (way out of the price range
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/icon-audio-hp8-mk2-tube-headphone-amplifier
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/consonance-m10s-tube-integratedheadphone-amplifier
 
This one is pretty cool too..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivals-Single-ended-EL34-12AX7-Vacuum-Tube-Amplifier-with-Headphone-Amp-function-/350923470029?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item51b4ab34cd
 
Now here is the deal...you blend your headphone amp with the AUNE..and it sounds a bit thin...is it the AUNE tube or the head amp input tubes ? You will figure it out, but you need a baseline.
 
One option, get the headphone amp first and use a source such as CD that you love. SO when you have the sound you like, add the AUNE and you are either good, or need an AUNE tube change...
 
Does this all make sense?
 
Jan 1, 2014 at 8:58 PM Post #3,773 of 8,309
 
Vintage Amperex Tube 6GM8 / ECC86 - With Orange Globe and made in Herleen Holland - 1968 - 4 stars (or maybe 3.8 stars ?) This is one of the holy grail tubes, hard to find with the globe in this setup. More often it has a bugle boy on it (not BUGLE BOY tubes..long story). They can be expensive and I snagged this for $14.99 It is a fine sounding tube, very holographic with nice highs and mids. It takes the edginess off that was present in the 6922EH but without being rolled off. Bass is very deep...perhaps too deep. I could feel it which was nice but found myself wondering if it was a bit boomy. Certainly would not be describe as tight crisp bass. Sort of made me think my bottom end was replaced with some Cerwin Vega D9's. From what I have heard so far..I would almost (and did) give it 4 stars but more listening with other types move it down to 3. So much for one of the better recommended. This is where system variations truly dictate what is good for whom

For me it`s weird that you find Amperex 6GM8/ECC86 bass department "boomy" ...with my setup and tube (different code date) it`s certainly not boomy, if anything, it`s tinybit "recessed" but I think it comes from bass being more "present" with other tubes I have and it`s certainly tight imho. Dunno, I think setup just makes difference or different production date. Actually this case shows really well that there are many nuances and you can never count on somebody`s impressions 100%.
 
Edit: Maybe someone wants to try this amp with Aune T1: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310557793652?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 
Maybe going to buy it in future but not sure. Good thing is - it uses same tubes that Aune T1 does.
 
Jan 1, 2014 at 9:08 PM Post #3,775 of 8,309
  ..., I think setup just makes difference or different production date. Actually this case shows really well that there are many nuances and you can never count on somebody`s impressions 100%.

and that is 100% correct. If you listen to the world of 12AX7's, the RCA and GE triple mica blackplates, etc. and Telefunken are top of the pack. well, I have a very detailed system so the blackplates were a tad bright and their mids recessed. The Tele's were dull. The Mullards were sweet and my #2 choice, by the slimmest margin to the Sylvania 5751 Gold letter black plates, Top to bottom perfect and forward mids...a winner...LOL..But in another system might give someone the screaming mimi's...LOL
 
Hey, your reviews as well as others are STILL helpful. You were not OFF on the Amperex assessment..it is a great tube..but the bottom on mine didn;t match. On another 9 out of 10 other systems, might be the holy grail...so that's why we post reviews...Oh crap...maybe I should not post mine,,,slew the curve...lol
 
Jan 2, 2014 at 12:01 AM Post #3,776 of 8,309
I've been doing a lot of speaker amp to headphone stuff lately but a few days ago I listened to my T1 as a comparison with my 40 watt per channel tube speaker amp with and without a resistor network L-pad attenuator and the T1 is just such an awesome little DAC/amp. Someone mentioned the T1 not driving modified Fostex T50RPs very well but mine sound fantastic with the T1's gain switches in the mid position. My HE500s sound great too. You can't beat the bang-for-buck of the Aune T1.
 
Jan 2, 2014 at 4:49 AM Post #3,777 of 8,309
  The Stock tube - 6922EH - New tube by Electro Harmonix - 3 1/2 stars (out of 5) [/B]For a stock, new design tube, I have to say it has its merits. it has strong gain, very wide soundstage, brings the mid's into focus where they should be. The vocalist is present where they should be and clearly distinct in a 3D sort of way. The bottom is nice, not boomy but the top end, while detailed can be a bit fatiguing. I can say it is like an Audio Technica microline cart that hasn't broken in yet. Vaguely bordering on sibilant in that high upper range - not quite getting there but you almost expect it. For a stock new issue tube, not bad.
 
Russian Voskhod 6N23P - 1986 vintage - Made for medical use (red tip) - 1 star Unlike some very good SOVTEK, SVETLANA and others that are sturdy and have a decent sound quality, these were as dull and lifeless as they come. The soundstage was narrow and flat (no depth). I really have nothing positive to say except I am glad I only paid $9.00 for a pair. I'll sell them for $7.00 - any takers ? LOL
 
Vintage Amperex Tube 6GM8 / ECC86 - With Orange Globe and made in Herleen Holland - 1968 - 4 stars (or maybe 3.8 stars ?) This is one of the holy grail tubes, hard to find with the globe in this setup. More often it has a bugle boy on it (not BUGLE BOY tubes..long story). They can be expensive and I snagged this for $14.99 It is a fine sounding tube, very holographic with nice highs and mids. It takes the edginess off that was present in the 6922EH but without being rolled off. Bass is very deep...perhaps too deep. I could feel it which was nice but found myself wondering if it was a bit boomy. Certainly would not be describe as tight crisp bass. Sort of made me think my bottom end was replaced with some Cerwin Vega D9's. From what I have heard so far..I would almost (and did) give it 4 stars but more listening with other types move it down to 3. So much for one of the better recommended. This is where system variations truly dictate what is good for whom
 
[B]6GM8 ECC86 Tube (GE Label marking) made in HOLLAND - Vintage 1963 - 4.25 Stars
This one made my eyes pop. It is not one that was advertised as remarkable, in fact, I don't see a lot of listing for it (Brent J doesn't) but I guess for me it is a best kept secret. From top to bottom, everything was detailed, in the right place with a wide holographic sound stage. The bass is where the Amperex SHOULD have been but was not, the vocals a pure joy as you could hear the vocalist at the mic. Vey nice, clear separation of instruments, nothing munged together. So far, my best tube. One note, it says MADE IN HOLLAND on it (factory lettering) but the CODES say it was made in Hamburg Germany. WWII was over in 1963, right ? LOL

 
Very nice post. I added this to the info page. If you ever review more tubes remember to update this post also.
 
Jan 2, 2014 at 6:49 AM Post #3,778 of 8,309
 
In one word "Yes". It does deliver a tube sound.
 
First. It is a SS amp and a SS DAC. A tube DAC would be the size of a bus. So all the solid state stuff does its job but exiting the DAC it uses the 6DJ8/6922 tube as a buffer and that is where the "tubey" sound comes from. As Coil pointed out, this is clearly evidenced by tube rolling. I myself in less than a week have tried 4 tubes, each distinctly unique in its presentation.
 
 
 
 
Please help "edumacate" me here. I've been slogging through the entire thread but am only into page 72 so far. I understand about the SS DAC & SS headphone amp If you use the phones does the the signal go DAC > tube buffer > headphone amp? That way we would still get the tube effect (using usb) whether we used phone or line out to a stereo system? That's what I'm hoping. Thanks.
 
Ben

 
Jan 2, 2014 at 8:08 AM Post #3,779 of 8,309
Ben,
yes. As long as u USB in. Then it is USB to dac to tube to headphone amp.
 
Jan 2, 2014 at 8:09 AM Post #3,780 of 8,309
Salvatore, thank you. I will have two more soon !
 

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